Fargo Breakdown - Singles @ BCAPL Nationals

cleary said:
Do you go up a ball when you cross the state line? LOL
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That is a good line. Lol

Only been Rated by FargoRate in ND. Play as a B when I have played Tourneys in Minnesota but that was when I was about a 475.

If I go to my little hometown in Crosby, I am considered a Master. Lol


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Masseyman said:
I think I understand what your are getting at;

The ability for a player to "Get out" increases exponentially with rating.
Even though all 3 matchups are a 3-5 race (85 point spread), if in a level tournament (5-5 race);
A. the 535 will win over the 450 80% of the time
B. the 612 will win over the 527 60% of the time
C the 785 will win over the 700 50% of the time

Yes... No?
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Correct -- don't know if the percentages are that but it would be something like that.

C couldn't be correct cause that would make it 50/50 which it wouldn't be.

More like

A 80%
B 70%
C 65%

Figure they play a race to 5, alternate break -- SVB would beat Shuff between 6 out of 10 and 7 out of 10. Seems about right.

I am a 561 (but I don't have 500 games so maybe I am too high, maybe too low). But if I play someone that is a 646, I may win 2 sets out of 10, possibly 3 out of 10, race to 5 alternate break.

And this is true not just for pool -- this would be for any sport. The higher you get to the top, the difference in what makes you a premier player and say a top pro is not as much. No matter what the rating says. I have a buddy that plays on the web.com tour --- actually didn't even qualify for the web.com tour this year. But qualified and played in the US Open the past two years. Last year he made the cut to play on the weekend.
 
THE SINGLES DIVISION BREAKDOWNS AT THE BCAPL NATIONALS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!

Mixed Platinum 8-Ball Singles (Race to 7)
138 entries out of 1072 (12.87%)
Fargo Range = 617-717

Mixed Gold 8-Ball Singles (Race to 6)
544 entries out of 1072 (50.75%)
Fargo Range = 525-624

Mixed Silver 8-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
295 entries out of 1072 (27.52%)
Fargo Range = 425-524

Mixed Bronze 8-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
95 entries out of 1072 (8.86%)
Fargo Range = 287-424

Women's Platinum 8-Ball Singles (Race to 6)
27 entries out of 306 (8.82%)
Fargo Range = 548-686

Women's Gold 8-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
112 entries out of 306 (36.6%)
Fargo Range = 431-547

Women's Silver 8-Ball Singles (Race to 4)
119 entries out of 306 (38.89%)
Fargo Range = 359-430

Women's Bronze 8-Ball Singles (Race to 4)
48 entries out of 306 (15.69%)
Fargo Range = 256-357

Mixed Platinum 8-Ball Senior Singles (Race to 6)
54 entries out of 275 (19.64%)
Fargo Range = 608-719

Mixed Gold 8-Ball Senior Singles (Race to 5)
221 entries out of 275 (80.36%)
Fargo Range = 287-599

Women's Platinum 8-Ball Senior Singles (Race to 5)
14 entries out of 45 (31.11%)
Fargo Range = 437-561

Women's Gold 8-Ball Senior Singles (Race to 4)
31 entries out of 45 (68.89%)
Fargo Range = 202-426

Mixed Platinum 9-Ball Singles (Race to 6)
87 entries out of 312 (27.88%)
Fargo Range = 616-717

Mixed Gold 9-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
225 entries out of 312 (72.12%)
Fargo Range = 326-614
 
sbpoolleague said:
THE SINGLES DIVISION BREAKDOWNS AT THE BCAPL NATIONALS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!

Mixed Platinum 8-Ball Singles (Race to 7)
138 entries out of 1072 (12.87%)
Fargo Range = 617-717

Mixed Gold 8-Ball Singles (Race to 6)
544 entries out of 1072 (50.75%)
Fargo Range = 525-624

Mixed Silver 8-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
295 entries out of 1072 (27.52%)
Fargo Range = 425-524

Mixed Bronze 8-Ball Singles (Race to 5)
95 entries out of 1072 (8.86%)
Fargo Range = 287-424
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This looks very different then advertised.
 

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sbpoolleague said:
THE SINGLES DIVISION BREAKDOWNS AT THE BCAPL NATIONALS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!

Mixed Platinum 8-Ball Singles (Race to 7)
138 entries out of 1072 (12.87%)
Fargo Range = 617-717

Mixed Gold 8-Ball Singles (Race to 6)
544 entries out of 1072 (50.75%)
Fargo Range = 525-624
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Why is there an overlap of 617-624?
 
watchez said:
Correct -- don't know if the percentages are that but it would be something like that.

C couldn't be correct cause that would make it 50/50 which it wouldn't be.

More like

A 80%
B 70%
C 65%

Figure they play a race to 5, alternate break -- SVB would beat Shuff between 6 out of 10 and 7 out of 10. Seems about right.

I am a 561 (but I don't have 500 games so maybe I am too high, maybe too low). But if I play someone that is a 646, I may win 2 sets out of 10, possibly 3 out of 10, race to 5 alternate break.

And this is true not just for pool -- this would be for any sport. The higher you get to the top, the difference in what makes you a premier player and say a top pro is not as much. No matter what the rating says. I have a buddy that plays on the web.com tour --- actually didn't even qualify for the web.com tour this year. But qualified and played in the US Open the past two years. Last year he made the cut to play on the weekend.
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You are not understanding the way Fargo Ratings work. This is incorrect.

The core of Fargo Ratings is a one-to-one correspondence between RATING DIFFERENCE and GAME WIN RATIO.

So a rating difference of 100 points is always associated with a game win ratio of 2-to-1. This is true whether it is a 700 playing an 800 or a 300 playing a 400.

And a rating difference of 85 points is always associated with a 1.8-to-1 game win ratio, whether it is Brandon and Shane or you and your 646 buddy. And these game win ratios translate directly into the number of sets each player is expected to win.

It may be true that the 85 point gap at the high end is comprised of apparently small and subtle differences in skills and the 85 point gap near the lower end is comprised of larger and readily apparent differences in fundamentals; that is a separate issue.
 
calcuttaman said:
If the splits were 15/35/35/15% and you had a 1000 players wouldn't the divisions look like this?

Bronze = 150 Players
Silver = 350 Players
Gold = 350 Players
Platinum = 150 Players
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I am not speaking for CSI, but I think this shows why the word "approximately" is there.

So the cutoff is APPROXIMATELY at the ratings that divide up like 15/35/35/15.

Why might the rating cutoffs be moved a couple points one direction or the other? There are a couple scenarios.

(1) There may be a natural gap in the entries within a couple points one direction or the other from the 15/35/35/15 marks. If this is the case, it makes sense to move the cutoff to the middle of the gap.

(2) --this is I think what happened here--

There are a slew of essentially unrated players (other than having the old "open" designation) that have a default starter rating of 525. This naturally will include a number of players with skill level notably higher than 525. The 15/35/35/15 cutoff occurred just a point or two above 525. This means all these essentially unrated players would fall right at the top of a division of players with earned ratings below 525. There is a judgment call to be made here, and it appears CSI made the responsible call of moving the gap down couple points to 525. The fact moving the cutoff a couple points captures a lot of players doesn't alter the fact it is a small change--just a couple points.
 

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mikepage said:
I am not speaking for CSI, but I think this shows why the word "approximately" is there.

So the cutoff is APPROXIMATELY at the ratings that divide up like 15/35/35/15.

Why might the rating cutoffs be moved a couple points one direction or the other? There are a couple scenarios.

(1) There may be a natural gap in the entries within a couple points one direction or the other from the 15/35/35/15 marks. If this is the case, it makes sense to move the cutoff to the middle of the gap.

(2) --this is I think what happened here--

There are a slew of essentially unrated players (other than having the old "open" designation) that have a default starter rating of 525. This naturally will include a number of players with skill level notably higher than 525. The 15/35/35/15 cutoff occurred just a point or two above 525. This means all these essentially unrated players would fall right at the top of a division of players with earned ratings below 525. There is a judgment call to be made here, and it appears CSI made the responsible call of moving the gap down couple points to 525. The fact moving the cutoff a couple points captures a lot of players doesn't alter the fact it is a small change--just a couple points.
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Where is the word approximately at? Can you show me on this page? http://www.playcsipool.com/2016-bcapl-national-championships.html

And 35% to 51% or 15% to 8.86% is not approximately.

(almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades)
 
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mikepage said:
(2) --this is I think what happened here--

There are a slew of essentially unrated players (other than having the old "open" designation) that have a default starter rating of 525. This naturally will include a number of players with skill level notably higher than 525. The 15/35/35/15 cutoff occurred just a point or two above 525. This means all these essentially unrated players would fall right at the top of a division of players with earned ratings below 525. There is a judgment call to be made here, and it appears CSI made the responsible call of moving the gap down couple points to 525. The fact moving the cutoff a couple points captures a lot of players doesn't alter the fact it is a small change--just a couple points.
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And what have you done here --- the largest group of people that support your league for years--- people that previously were 'open' status --- as this has always been the largest portion of the field are now being the ones effected the most by FargoRate because we got grouped in with all the unknown 525 players trying to steal some money. And the top of the group got increased beyond the 611 it was going to be @ 35% to know have a 624 ranked player in it. Essentially, the group became that much tougher. It is not a small change.
 
watchez said:
Where is the word approximately at? Can you show me on this page? http://www.playcsipool.com/2016-bcapl-national-championships.html

And 35% to 51% or 15% to 8.86% is not approximately.

(almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades)
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Steve,

The percentages stated by CSI are like all numbers. They can be used to prove any point from any direction. I agree the difference between 35% and 51% is not approximate. Including all the players 525 and above in the gold division means CSI is concerned about one of them "stealing" the silver division. Think that's a good thing. Don't care about the percentages. Wish they would have been honest about it up front.

Lyn
 
Give me the list of all players that are 525 --- I'll let you know in a day which ones shouldn't be.

Simply put, don't post something on your website on the Main Page for your tournament if it is not what you mean. There is no word approximately on that page. I apologize in advance if I am blind and not seeing it.
 
watchez said:
Give me the list of all players that are 525 --- I'll let you know in a day which ones shouldn't be.

Simply put, don't post something on your website on the Main Page for your tournament if it is not what you mean. There is no word approximately on that page. I apologize in advance if I am blind and not seeing it.
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Are you lazy?? Do the work yourself.
Go to the 2016 BCAPL National Championships web page.
Scroll down to the Current Entries.
Select M8S Mixed 8-Ball Singles - Gold .
Click on the column heading "Fargo Rating" to sort.
All 129 Fargo rating of 525 will be listed first.
Each page has 100 names. Go to page 2 for the other 29.
 
watchez said:
And what have you done here --- the largest group of people that support your league for years--- people that previously were 'open' status --- as this has always been the largest portion of the field are now being the ones effected the most by FargoRate because we got grouped in with all the unknown 525 players trying to steal some money. And the top of the group got increased beyond the 611 it was going to be @ 35% to know have a 624 ranked player in it. Essentially, the group became that much tougher. It is not a small change.
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I have a hard-nosed woman on my team who if she heard me complain like this would say "Shut up....You are whining like a little beyotch".

C'mon. Is it really THAT big a deal?? For all we know 80% of the 525's are actually 450's. All of my players that are in the Gold division are happy. They are happy to have more players in the bracket. Happy to have a race to 6 instead of a race to 5. Happy that they will be driving to Vegas in a little over a week.

Relax. It's all good. I'll buy you a drink if I see you there.
 
sbpoolleague said:
I have a hard-nosed woman on my team who if she heard me complain like this would say "Shut up....You are whining like a little beyotch".

C'mon. Is it really THAT big a deal?? For all we know 80% of the 525's are actually 450's. All of my players that are in the Gold division are happy. They are happy to have more players in the bracket. Happy to have a race to 6 instead of a race to 5. Happy that they will be driving to Vegas in a little over a week.

Relax. It's all good. I'll buy you a drink if I see you there.
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This was posted late last night and you have already talked to all of your players this morning. You must have a hell of network.
 
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