No, you don't have to split the arow to win, but you DO have to get your arrow in the bullseye to score, the smaller the bullseye....the smaller the margin of error
Tight Pockets
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No, you don't have to split the arow to win, but you DO have to get your arrow in the bullseye to score, the smaller the bullseye....the smaller the margin of error
Lots of players talk about the Gold Crown rattle. One of the rooms I used to play at had GC2&3. Those tables would reject ball all the time that were hit hard.
Decent level players respect a tight playing table. On a tight playing table, that shot should never go.
Having said that, if you don't intend to play tournaments with high level players, on tight tables, why bother owning a tight playing table? If you don't enjoy playing on your table, do something about it. Have the pockets opened up. Afterall, it is your table. You could open the pockets up to 4 3/4", and it won't hurt the resale value. This change should have been made months ago.
This is generally a result of either a bad cushion installation (the ends of the cushion not being cut flush with the pocket opening of the subrail) or from the facings being cupped (usually due to subrails being worn out from ball impacts). Otherwise, Gold Crowns do not typically rattle well-hit balls.
Why wouldn't the shot go? That shot should go reliably on any table, no? Surely it should be possible to pocket a ball stuck on a rail on any table.
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duh...obviously you're talking about the diagrammed shot, not RKC's test shot. Nevermind.
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I guess you didn't read the entire thread. My GCIV had 5 inch pockets. Those are too big. I had my mechanic make them tighter, he got them down to 4.25 inch pockets. When I measured them yesterday I realized they were 4 1/8 inch pockets, not 4.25.
4 and 1/8 inch pockets are really just too tight. I've already contacted him, he is going to come down in the near future and open them up just a little and put new Powder Blue 860 on the table also.
r/Mike
No confusion here with me. Point being, on my table, is that shot will go in with pocket speed. In this case slow speed. But if you needed to hit that shot with a lot more speed to move the CB somewhere you would have to hit it perfect or it rattles. If I hit the shot diagrammed just into the rail where the dotted line shows with any speed its not going. And to me it should. The problem is with 4 1/8 inch pockets it wont go. On 4.5 pockets it would go.
r/Mike
This is where I disagree. If you hit the ball into the rail before the pocket, it may or may not go. But it definitely should not be expected to go as a default. Even on a very shallow angle.
On the other hand, if you hit the ball into the facing of the pocket, and it never touches the rail on the way in, then it should almost ALWAYS GO. This I believe is what RKC was having you test.
In over 30 years of working on pool tables, and having owned 3 pool rooms with Gold Crowns....I've never heard of the "Gold Crown rattle"
The harder you hit that shot, the more the object ball compresses the cushion, the more the object ball picks up outside spin. At a some point of speed, the object ball picks up enough outside spin that when it comes into contact with the pocket angle facing, its spinning grips the facing causing the ball to cross over the pocket to the opposing facing instead of allowing it to drop deeper into the pocket and over the edge of the pocket shelf......so no, that shot is not suppose to go if shot much harder than pocket speed, not even on 5" corner pockets.
The key in your post is...."At some point of speed"
Yes, even on 5 inch pockets this ball would rattle if hit with ALOT of speed. But with the shot as diagrammed, on 5 inch pockets you would have to hit it pretty hard for it not to go. And I mean pretty hard.
The issue I have is on 4 1/8 inch pockets even at medium speed the shot as diagrammed wont fall. At least not on my table.
Maybe I should trade my GCIV in with Diamond and get one of those Diamond Professionals, the copycat of the Gold Crown..
r/Mike
If any table at Top Hat is Henry's its table 9. Only slightly smaller pockets then normal but plays way slower. 11 seems to rotate through people.
Table 3 over there they bought from Satyr Hill I think plays perfect. Gold Crown 4. Fast. Slightly tighter then normal, enough to keep you honest.
the copycat of the Gold Crown..
r/Mike
That's like saying a Chevy is a copy cat of Ford....because it has 4 tires....LMAO
The key in your post is...."At some point of speed"
Yes, even on 5 inch pockets this ball would rattle if hit with ALOT of speed. But with the shot as diagrammed, on 5 inch pockets you would have to hit it pretty hard for it not to go. And I mean pretty hard.
The issue I have is on 4 1/8 inch pockets even at medium speed the shot as diagrammed wont fall. At least not on my table.
Maybe I should trade my GCIV in with Diamond and get one of those Diamond Professionals, the copycat of the Gold Crown..
r/Mike
I guess you don't understand the tighter the pocket, the less room for error when pocketing balls. You don't have any tighter pockets on your table than any other GC with 4 1/8ths corner pockets, so the same shot played with to much speed won't go on those tables either....missing the shot is not limited to just your table exclusively.
DCP,
You started a thread asking for help or for advice, then upon receiving 10 pages of replies you systematically attempt to tell EVERYONE they are wrong.
Your mechanic set up the table and measured it, but YOU, measured it and arrived at a different number.
RKC gave you a test to try and you discounted his advice (of all people who know about tables you would discount him?)
At some point you have to realize it is you and not everyone else.
You started a thread asking for help or for advice, then upon receiving 10 pages of replies you systematically attempt to tell EVERYONE they are wrong.
Your mechanic set up the table and measured it, but YOU, measured it and arrived at a different number.
RKC gave you a test to try and you discounted his advice (of all people who know about tables you would discount him?)
At some point you have to realize it is you and not everyone else.
All you have to do is look. That's all. Its as obvious as can be.
Uh......duh
The only thing that is obvious is your wrong about most things when it comes to billiards
I recently got a table. At first a set it up the table with old cloth and with the rails/pockets as they were. The pockets were tight but not crazy tight. I just redid the table myself (fun project) and loosened the pockets up. Still not a bucket but feel pretty big now. Next time, when I have a pro do the table, I'll split the difference. But for now, these are good. My 7 year old can pocket balls on it so that's all I care about.
The before pockets were around 4". The person who shimmed them didn't do a very good job btw.
The before pockets were around 4". The person who shimmed them didn't do a very good job btw.
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