How to play this shot:

jchance said:
snip snip snip...you can easily play a simple stun shot and leave the CB in line with the side pocket, 1 diamond from top rail as looking at diagram....snip snip
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Yep that's the shot I had the most success with. Just think there is a better way to get position, I strongly feel the two rail shot as suggested by others is my best alternate, barring traffic. Pretty sure plan b for me would be a safe of some kind leaving the 8 at one end and the cue ball somewhere on the rail area with the 9.
 
I tried it out on my table and what worked best for me was about a tip left and a half tip low with a firm stroke.
 
pocket said:
So I was working on this shot last night and had a lot of difficulty with it. I'd like to hear how others would play this.

I realize this is probably a basic shot, should give you an idea of my (lack of) skill level.

I tried low, and low left. Most of the time I ended up even with the 9 or on the short side with a bad angle. Closest I got to leaving myself a chance to get out was hitting it much softer, ending up near the side pocket for a fairly long cut into the corner.

(this is playing 9ball)

What say?

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You actually don't need any left English. In fact, using English will make pocketing the 8 ball more difficult. You just hit this shot with a 1/2 to 3/4 tip low(draw).
You don't want to scratch cross side but you also don't need to get back to the end rail where the 9 is. As long as the cue ball goes across to the long rail and back out to give you a shot on the 9, you have done good. Shoot this a couple dozen times until your comfortable with it.
A good follow through is key here.....

Your safety option could be a 2 way shot. Try shooting the 8 ball cross corner, if you make it the cue ball should go straight up n back for shape on the 9 ball.
 
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BuddyWing said:
" Bert Kinster " says low right and it works for me
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Yes...low RIGHT. It's called a "diving ball" and you go 4 rails to the 9. It's the filipino way to do it. There are several ways to get on the 9 though, that's just one option.

Shoot within your ability and limitations to have the best chance to execute and win, which you only know through disciplined practice. Playing safe could've even been the right shot for you there, odds-wise, but only you can know that.
 
I'll get there every time using center ball draw, 2 rails. You have to get the first rail quick. I aim to the left side of the pocket and if the speed pushes the ball at all to the right, you hit the center of the pocket.
 
i am with the camp you dont need any left hand english (maybe a smidgen)
plain draw sould get you to the 9 ball side on the long rail below the side pocket
if hit hard enough to bounce out to mid table or beyound you should be fine
i am always surprised how little draw is necessary to have the cue ball go 3 diamonds below the object ball with that angle AND SPACE FROM BALL TO RAIL
 
hang-the-9 said:
Low left will bring you too much up-table, which is where you ended up. Just a bit of draw will do ya. Look at your diagram and draw the angle to about the middle diamond on the rail between the 9 and the side pocket, that's about your target, hit that and bounce out a few feet. Really any place between the side pocket and the 9 will be OK , depends on the speed you hit. If you hit harder but go too high near the 9, your cueball can hit the 9 and bring it out for a shot (if you are a bit lucky that is), so really the only way to really mess up is hit it too soft and land on the 9 without moving it much.

From where you were ending up, it sounds like you were trying to draw/spin it without going to the second rail, just straight up-table is that right? That shot will get you going at the 9 more often than, you can even scratch in the corner by the 9 that way. Less spin and draw, hit almost anywhere in a 2 diamond range on long rail near the 9, bounce over to other side for the 9.

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looking at your diagram
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tucson9ball said:
Your safety option could be a 2 way shot. Try shooting the 8 ball cross corner, if you make it the cue ball should go straight up n back for shape on the 9 ball.
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This two-way shot is how I choose to shoot this shot. If you miss, you are long and safe. If you make it, you're out. And you don't have to hit it so hard, even on big tables. On a small table, I might try the shot OP was asking about but I like built-in safeties.
 
tucson9ball said:
.... Try shooting the 8 ball cross corner, if you make it the cue ball should go straight up n back for shape on the 9 ball.
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Maybe I'm not seeing the diagram right but the bank looks like it could kiss. You could aim to miss on the thin side to avoid the kiss and get the safe. Then it all depends on how good your speed control is so you don't leave the 8 right over the bottom left pocket.

I like the advice above from Island Drive of trying a progressive practice to find out the actual percentages on the shot. The practice will also extend the range of shots you're comfortable with. Also, you can try different spins with the shorter shots to see what works for you.

Personally, I'm going to use 8-o'clock to go two side rails and freeze in the middle of the left cushion.
 
Probably been said but more of a draw shot with a hair of outside. Not really that much draw either, more of a stun. Not alot of english is needed. Personally I hit these shots not as hard as people think and still go two rails (long rail to long rail). Just have to push through the cue ball more.
 
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If you hit the shot with a stun shot (same as a stop shot) w/no draw or side spin, assuming the rails would act similar to the angle in, angle out...the path of the cue ball would be close to the picture. If this is true, you can see that very little left hand english or draw would be necessary, but some adjustment would be desirable to not have too much of a cut on the 9 ball.

If you would like to learn more,please do a google search for Dr. Dave resource page discussing the 90 degree rule.

Hope this helps.

Dave
 

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12squared said:
If you hit the shot with a stun shot (same as a stop shot) w/no draw or side spin, assuming the rails would act similar to the angle in, angle out...the path of the cue ball would be close to the picture. If this is true, you can see that very little left hand english or draw would be necessary, but some adjustment would be desirable to not have too much of a cut on the 9 ball.

If you would like to learn more,please do a google search for Dr. Dave resource page discussing the 90 degree rule.

Hope this helps.

Dave
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Agreed with this. A tiny bit of adjustment is needed, but not as much as you would think. Really have to just give it a good stroke (push through the cue ball)
 
3 ways:
- draw the ball with low-left english, but it will be tricky as you will rely on the left spin to bring the ball down, and there's a small possibility of scratching or hitting the corner of the side pocket
- hit the CB at 8-oclock, let it hit both long rails (and probably the short rail where the 9 is) to bring it near the 9
- shoot the 8 and kill the CB around that area, then just shoot the 9 from there
 
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Hit this shot a little lower than a stop shot, with half a tip of left, firmly. You'll be surprised how much easier it is to move the white ball on this shot when you forget about trying to draw it.
I call this shot a zigzag lol, but I'm a little nutty and like to make my own terminology

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Bob Jewett said:
Maybe I'm not seeing the diagram right but the bank looks like it could kiss. You could aim to miss on the thin side to avoid the kiss and get the safe. Then it all depends on how good your speed control is so you don't leave the 8 right over the bottom left pocket.

I like the advice above from Island Drive of trying a progressive practice to find out the actual percentages on the shot. The practice will also extend the range of shots you're comfortable with. Also, you can try different spins with the shorter shots to see what works for you.

Personally, I'm going to use 8-o'clock to go two side rails and freeze in the middle of the left cushion.
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Bob is certainly right, double kiss city on that cross corner. Any time you're hitting a bank and the initial white ball path heads towards a pocket, a kiss is likely.

Edit ... If it's a cross side, white ball path towards opposite side is a kiss. Cross corner, white ball path towards opposite corner is a kiss


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