Jayson Shaw victim or defeated foe

SJDinPHX said:
Joey, professionalism and common courtesy are totally alien subjects to Earl..You can absolutely count on him, to be at his worst in any given situation!..I am actually surprised when he gets through an entire match, without throwing a tantrum, or breaking a stick!

I know I have bad-mouthed him before, but I am always surprised when someone as pool savvy as you, expects anything different from him..He is, and always has been, an embarrassment to the game!..John MacEnroe was a mild-mannered 'cub scout' compared to Earl Strickland! :rolleyes:
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Dick, I choose to look at every situation on its own and try not to allow my bias toward a player affect how I judge their immediate behavior. Each to his own and you're entitled to yours.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Dick, I choose to look at every situation on its own and try not to allow my bias toward a player affect how I judge their immediate behavior. Each to his own and you're entitled to yours.

JoeyA
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Fair enough Joey...That is very gracious of you to overlook his ongoing, very consistent pattern of disruptive tantrums, and poor sportsmanship! :cool:

PS..Would you also be in favor of giving him some kind of award, for when he doesn't go ballistic? ;) :D
 
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SJDinPHX said:
Joey, professionalism and common courtesy are totally alien subjects to Earl..You can absolutely count on him, to be at his worst in any given situation! ..I am actually shocked when he gets through an entire match, without throwing a complete tantrum, or breaking a stick!

I know I have bad-mouthed him before, but I am always surprised when someone as pool savvy as you, expects anything different from him..He is, and always has been, an embarrassment to the game!..
John MacEnroe [sic] was a mild-mannered 'cub scout' compared to Earl Strickland! :rolleyes:

PS..I fully expect the "Earl lover's" to try to defend the indefensible! :cool:
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Dearest Duckbreath,

Just like I told you one time about R.A.; If he tried his antics on me I would warn him once. On the 2nd occurrence I would punch him in the nose. When he saw his blood running down his chest he would leave or straighten up. Either way.

P.S. You were so busy inserting exclamation points that you totally forgot to use a legitimate "[sic]" in your post. I inserted it for you. You're welcome Ducky.

P.S. again...Just because they refer to him as Johnny Mac doesn't mean that's how he spells his last name. Mr. MacMorran should know this.

What's with the exclamation points??? No self-control??? Just like a poolplayer!

RBL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JAM said:
What did you think of Jayson's behavior at the end when Earl was trying to finish the match?
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This was his behaviour after Earl refused to shake his hand after openly lying about what ball he called ("Nobody called a ball! Nobody!") or refusing to speak to the ref who was trying to determine what ball Earl called? After all that? :rolleyes:
 
BRussell said:
This is what bothers me. If you want to say Jayson should get the call because of Earl's verbal misstatement, then fine. I can see calling it either way: For Jayson based on Earl's verbal mistake or for Earl because obviously he was shooting the 10. But all this stuff about how Jayson was cheated and Americans are cheaters and I'm never going there again - pure nonsense.
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But he did cheat. Even the die-hard Earl apologists should be able to see that. He called the two ball, no problem. He then claimed he didn't call any ball, problem. He lied and tried to wriggle out of it any way he could. That's cheating. I'm not going to say if that's typical of Americans, but it's correct in this case.

If Earl had said, "yes sorry, I called the two and shot the ten" then everything is in the open and there's no grievance, but that's not what happened. Earl showed his true colours and repeatedly lied to gain an advantage.
 
This thread is sad example how peoples can me mislead because they have already decided who is quilty... Shaw is clown on my books now. Trying to win with technical trick is patchetic and deceiving peoples makes it even worse.. And i f***ing hate Earl antics and think he is bad for sport. Shaw just showed his true nature.. i already thought he is borderline sportsman. He showed he does do whatever he needs for win.. f**k the fair play.
I can assure to you i would not want to win with shady move but Shaw waited for it for last chance.. sad are days nowadays.:mad:
 
I watched a video of it today. I had ear buds in with the volume turned all the way up and I actually caught something. I went back and press one of the buds in my ear. I heard Earl call the ten a few seconds before the shot.

I went over it several times and he clearly said ten

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Here is a link to the video. It's around 1:04. You'll need a headset to hear it and I suggest using only the left speaker

https://www.facebook.com/saxmanjaared/posts/10210236417529313
 
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AlienObserver said:
As I said in post #288, Earl smashed his cue when Shaw said that he called the 2. In my opinion this indicates that he acknowledges he made a mistake. Why would he smash his cue if he called the correct ball? Imagine a scenario where you did nothing wrong (or think you did nothing wrong) and your opponent jump of his seat and argues you made a foul. I think that you would be surprised and ask what did you do wrong.
But, if you know you made a foul, and even worse a stupid foul (not caused by missing or stroking the ball wrong) you would be angry with yourself straight away, as was Earl 2 seconds after shooting the cue ball.
Now, imagine that you were Earl Strickland, and smashing your cue when you make a mistake is your signature move. (https://youtu.be/stJqzaHMNZs?t=55s)
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Imagining I am Earl is a difficult one for me, either on the talent or on the temperament part of the equation. That being said, if - as I understand from other posts - there had been some considerable animosity during the match already, and I thought I called and shot the 10 ball and my opponent jumped up and told me I had called the 2 ball, and if I was as high-strung as Earl, I can definitely see myself reacting the way Earl did. The equivalent of WTF, jerk, sit down and stop making BS calls to throw me off or worse, steal the match by making something up.

I'm not saying that is what happened at all, but I am saying that Earl's reaction doesn't tell me he knew he called the wrong ball.
 
GideonF said:
Earl may have a history of poor sportsmanship, but in this case I agree with those who say that Earl didn't want the concession and wanted to finish shooting the balls. (he did shake his hand, BTW). I don't think that is bad sportsmanship.
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I didn't consider that aspect - that he wasn't accepting the concession, which now makes sense. My take originally was Jayson was trying to patch things up after the argument, not concede the game. The concession angle would explain why Earl seemed flabbergasted once Jayson went haywire.

Jayson should have let Earl play it out. I once gave up ball in hand in a 9 ball tournament, score hill-hill, with only the 8 and 9 left. I decided to let the player finish it out. He was a decent player and dogged the 8 ball.
 
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Blue Jam said:
But he did cheat. Even the die-hard Earl apologists should be able to see that. He called the two ball, no problem. He then claimed he didn't call any ball, problem. He lied and tried to wriggle out of it any way he could. That's cheating. I'm not going to say if that's typical of Americans, but it's correct in this case.

If Earl had said, "yes sorry, I called the two and shot the ten" then everything is in the open and there's no grievance, but that's not what happened. Earl showed his true colours and repeatedly lied to gain an advantage.
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I don't know about the lie, but I know that under normal conditions, from what all the straight pool players are saying, you don't call a player on an obvious verbal misstatement. The intent was clear, the shot was obvious and didn't need to be called, he made the shot straignt in the pocket, but he accidentally said the wrong ball. To jump up out of your seat and try to win on that, and then fail, is not being cheated.
 
TATE said:
I didn't consider that aspect - that he wasn't accepting the concession, which now makes sense. My take originally was Jayson was trying to patch things up after the argument, not concede the game. The concession angle would explain why Earl seemed flabbergasted once Jayson went haywire.

Jayson should have let Earl play it out. I once gave up ball in hand in a 9 ball tournament, score hill-hill, with only the 8 and 9 left. I decided to let the player finish it out. He was a decent player and dogged the 8 ball.
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I think Earl's past misconduct is clouding people's judgement of this particular incident.

He obviously meant to shoot the 10 ball and Shaw was out of line to challenge him on such a technicality and behaved very poorly thereafter throwing balls and threatening Earl. Imagine if Earl did what Shaw did.
 
westcoast said:
I think Earl's past misconduct is clouding people's judgement of this particular incident.

He obviously meant to shoot the 10 ball and Shaw was out of line to challenge him on such a technicality and behaved very poorly thereafter throwing balls and threatening Earl. Imagine if Earl did what Shaw did.
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Possibly true, but it's meant to be a professional tournament so all that matters are the rules.

It seems a lot of people are getting annoyed that Jayson wants to win on a 'technicality', well in any other sport they are called rules and they are followed!

I've seen conflicting Facebook posts on the subject and I'm no 14.1 expert, but in simple terms Jayson was correct or incorrect due to the rules, it's not up to the players to decide when to play to the rules and when not to.

If the rule says an obvious shot outwighs a misspoken call Jayson is wrong, if not he is right.

Nothing else should matter in PROFESSIONAL sport!
 
westcoast said:
I think Earl's past misconduct is clouding people's judgement of this particular incident.
He obviously meant to shoot the 10 ball and Shaw was out of line to challenge him on such a technicality and behaved very poorly thereafter throwing balls and threatening Earl. Imagine if Earl did what Shaw did.
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WC, That may well be the case, in this particular instance..However, it is very hard to ignore all his past indiscretions and tantrums, when they occur in almost every match he has ever played!..I can't imagine Shaw, (or anyone else) having an altercation of this nature, with anyone but an Earl Strickland!
 
BRussell said:
I don't know about the lie, but I know that under normal conditions, from what all the straight pool players are saying, you don't call a player on an obvious verbal misstatement. The intent was clear, the shot was obvious and didn't need to be called, he made the shot straignt in the pocket, but he accidentally said the wrong ball. To jump up out of your seat and try to win on that, and then fail, is not being cheated.
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You don't know about the lie?! Have you watched the video? Just after earl calls the two then pots the ten, he says he didn't call any ball. It's the lying that got Jayson so hot. Earl could have smoothed things out very easily by telling the truth. But because he already lost his innings earlier in the match for the same thing (rightly or wrongly, that's another story) he lied to try and avoid losing his innings here too.

Earl tried to gain an advantage by lying. That makes him both a liar and a cheat. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth. I'm not excusing Jayson messing up the table after Earl refused to shake his hand in concession, but facts are facts.

Earl is a lying cheat. Fact.

Also, let be clear that the shot wasn't obvious. Earl looked at a number of shots, talked about playing a carom then about a second after calling the two, played into the stack it was in at pace sending balls all over the table. This was not an obvious shot and Jayson not having a straight pool background was quite correct to clarify this point.
 
Blue Jam said:
Just after earl calls the two then pots the ten, he says he didn't call any ball. It's the lying that got Jayson so hot
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Exactly, Jayson said on FB himself that he always had the utmost respect for Earl on and off the table, he even stayed at his place.

Earl called the wrong ball, lied and said he didn't call any ball, the ref was then found to be absent so was unable to make any call and then Earl refused to shake hands when he resigned.

Hardly surprising that this sequence of events wound the shit of Jayson.

And folks, remember, the ref called a foul on Earl earlier in the match for mistakenly calling the wrong ball. It should not have been down to Jayson to call the foul on the second occasion. World event my arse!

If it's me playing league, then I let something like this slide, but not when it is the semi final for an event paying $10K when I make a living playing the sport.
 
Earl called the 2, it's plain and simple Jayson got screwed. Oh and I am a Earl fan when he's not acting like he's nuts.
 
While I agree that the shot was obvious, the fact is Earl fuqed up and called the 2. Shaw was screwed. To not have a ref for a match in a world championship is asinine. The TD should get slapped for stupidity.
 
Blue Jam said:
But he did cheat. Even the die-hard Earl apologists should be able to see that. He called the two ball, no problem. He then claimed he didn't call any ball, problem. He lied and tried to wriggle out of it any way he could. That's cheating. I'm not going to say if that's typical of Americans, but it's correct in this case.

If Earl had said, "yes sorry, I called the two and shot the ten" then everything is in the open and there's no grievance, but that's not what happened. Earl showed his true colours and repeatedly lied to gain an advantage.
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The problem is he didn't cheat. He called the ten. I've listened to the tape over a dozen times. I had to use a headset and turn the volume all the way up to hear it. Right before he got down on the shot he called the ten.
 
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