World Fargo Rating list --place changes from the US Open

BeiberLvr said:
I'm not denying what you have done, but I am doubting what you will do.
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Let's test YOUR ability to think outside of the box, instead of you constantly questioning mine....OK? Let's say I'm going to have a world 14.1 straight pool tournament December 27-30 2017. Your task is to provide me the names of the best 64 straight pool players on the planet, as well as 6 alternate players as to avoid and byes in the event. You have from January 1, 2017 until December 1, 2017 to provide me with the names of those 64 players, BUT....I want everyone who plays 14.1 who feels they have a chance of making the cut to have that chance to do so, BUT I want everyone in every pool playing country in the world.....to have a chance to make the cut to the final 64.....NOW....GO OUT AND GET ME THE NAMES OF THOSE 64 PLAYERS!

What can you do with that thinking outside of the box with that task.....big mouth?!
 
realkingcobra said:
Let's test YOUR ability to think outside of the box, instead of you constantly questioning mine....OK? Let's say I'm going to have a world 14.1 straight pool tournament December 27-30 2017. Your task is to provide me the names of the best 64 straight pool players on the planet, as well as 6 alternate players as to avoid and byes in the event. You have from January 1, 2017 until December 1, 2017 to provide me with the names of those 64 players, BUT....I want everyone who plays 14.1 who feels they have a chance of making the cut to have that chance to do so, BUT I want everyone in every pool playing country in the world.....to have a chance to make the cut to the final 64.....NOW....GO OUT AND GET ME THE NAMES OF THOSE 64 PLAYERS!

What can you do with that thinking outside of the box with that task.....big mouth?!
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This probably is not what youre looking for, but could you not just host a bunch of qualifiers all over the place?
 
BmoreMoney said:
This probably is not what youre looking for, but could you not just host a bunch of qualifiers all over the place?
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Not a chance, resonance being not every TOP pool player in the world is without a job and has nothing but spare time on their hands to play qualifiers. ONE world 14.1 championship a year may.be just what it takes.to pull this one player out of the closet so to speak, and besides that, there's way to much work involved to try and run 1,000 qualifiers all over the world at the same.time.
 
realkingcobra said:
Let's test YOUR ability to think outside of the box, instead of you constantly questioning mine....OK? Let's say I'm going to have a world 14.1 straight pool tournament December 27-30 2017. Your task is to provide me the names of the best 64 straight pool players on the planet, as well as 6 alternate players as to avoid and byes in the event. You have from January 1, 2017 until December 1, 2017 to provide me with the names of those 64 players, BUT....I want everyone who plays 14.1 who feels they have a chance of making the cut to have that chance to do so, BUT I want everyone in every pool playing country in the world.....to have a chance to make the cut to the final 64.....NOW....GO OUT AND GET ME THE NAMES OF THOSE 64 PLAYERS!

What can you do with that thinking outside of the box with that task.....big mouth?!
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Did I say I had any great ideas? I may have had suggestions before, but nothing in stone.

Stop trying to turn this around on me. You're the one with the idea(s) that will make players millionaires and make pool the biggest sport on earth.

So stop talking about how smart you are, and show us.

Unless you're just all hiss and no bite.
 
realkingcobra said:
Not a chance, resonance being not every TOP pool player in the world is without a job and has nothing but spare time on their hands to play qualifiers. ONE world 14.1 championship a year may.be just what it takes.to pull this one player out of the closet so to speak, and besides that, there's way to much work involved to try and run 1,000 qualifiers all over the world at the same.time.
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What are the odds that one of the 64 best straight pool players IN THE WORLD would be so hampered by a job that they couldn't make it to a qualifier?

Show your work.
 
BeiberLvr said:
What are the odds that one of the 64 best straight pool players IN THE WORLD would be so hampered by a job that they couldn't make it to a qualifier?

Show your work.
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See, it's people like you that just automatically think everyone who plays pool is avaliable to get out and play every day, and make it to any tournament that comes up. How about our military personnel in Europe for example? I knew quite a few players in my time in the army that could have been rated as pro caliber, and there is plenty of pro players today who were serving active duty and playing pool at the same time who've had to put their pool playing career on hole until they get out of the military service. With my plans, anyone on active duty would be just as capable of taking the same skill level testing, no different than anyone else in the world. With 11 months of collecting player ratings, IF someone serving on active duty was able to make the top 64 cut, they'd have time to apply for leave.and fly back to the states and compete right along with the 63 other pro players for the world 14.1 title.
 
BeiberLvr said:
What are the odds that one of the 64 best straight pool players IN THE WORLD would be so hampered by a job that they couldn't make it to a qualifier?



Show your work.
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My guess is that most of the top 64 14.1 players in the world are also already in the top 64 in Fargo. Guys like Appleton, Feijen, Mika,Hohmann are there. Recent results also show that guys like Orcollo, Earl, Shaw who we don't think of as 14.1 players can win or place high in fields with good 14.1 players.

So the ratings are not irrelevant to 14.1 - but they don't necessarily correspond exactly. And there are guys like Schmidt who aren't in the top 64 in Fargo that might be in 14.1 (although he hasn't finished super strong in some 14.1 events).

If I were doing it, I'd probably take the top X players in the world, have some spots for recent winners or high finishers from recent 14.1 events and hold some qualifiers.


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Then I see no problem with allowing anyone in the world a chance to take a skill level test to qualify to the top 64 spots in the world....11 months ahead of time even. On a sanctioned 9ft pool table, testing players start with any opening break they want to begin the skill test. After the opening break, the player shall be required to run as many consecutive balls as possible with the allowance of 5 lifelines. After the player misses a shot, they will be able to draw 1 lifeline from their inventory and continue shooting from where the miss took place, there shall be NO restart of the test. After the player has exhausted all 5 life lines, the running total shall become the players entry score. A player may retest as often as they choose, but each skill test shall be required to submit a registration fee. After December 1, 2017 skill tests will no longer be accepted.
 
dr_dave said:
Are you proposing something like the Billiard University (BU) Playing Ability Exams or the Playing Ability Test (PAT) to rank players? If so, how do you plan to improve upon those systems? If not, what are you proposing?

Dave
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Playing in a world 14.1 championship tournament, held only once a year, in a 4 day span, when losing in the first round pays $500 and winning the title pay $64,000....I honestly don't believe anyone would complain about having to take a skill level test in order to compete....and have 11 months to do so. Bonuses to the test is that with no restricted high runs, the world may get a chance to see Willie Mosconi's record hi run of 526 balls broken as well during testing.
 
realkingcobra said:
See, it's people like you that just automatically think everyone who plays pool is avaliable to get out and play every day, and make it to any tournament that comes up. How about our military personnel in Europe for example? I knew quite a few players in my time in the army that could have been rated as pro caliber, and there is plenty of pro players today who were serving active duty and playing pool at the same time who've had to put their pool playing career on hole until they get out of the military service. With my plans, anyone on active duty would be just as capable of taking the same skill level testing, no different than anyone else in the world. With 11 months of collecting player ratings, IF someone serving on active duty was able to make the top 64 cut, they'd have time to apply for leave.and fly back to the states and compete right along with the 63 other pro players for the world 14.1 title.
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So you think there are people that don't get to play everyday, but are good enough to be considered one of the top players in the world? Hilarious.

See skills tests are fine in a vaccum, but they don't test a player's mettle like actual competition in a qualifier would.
 
BeiberLvr said:
So you think there are people that don't get to play everyday, but are good enough to be considered one of the top players in the world? Hilarious.

See skills tests are fine in a vaccum, but they don't test a player's mettle like actual competition in a qualifier would.
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That's exactly the kind of ignorance that overlooked WU winning both the world 9/8 ball world championships in the same year.....AS AN UNKNOWN.....TEENAGER!
 
realkingcobra said:
That's exactly the kind of ignorance that overlooked WU winning both the world 9/8 ball world championships in the same year.....AS AN UNKNOWN.....TEENAGER!
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. WU did get 2nd in the juniors the year before so I'm not sure if he was really an unknown.
 
BeiberLvr said:
. WU did get 2nd in the juniors the year before so I'm not sure if he was really an unknown.
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Not sure???....LMAO....if SKILL level testing was required pryor to ANY world championship tournament, and every player that wanted to compete was required to prove their ability to MAKE balls and jockey their position in the top 64 positions in the world, and had up to 11 months pryor to the cut off date to secure a spot as ONE of the top 64 players in the world....WU would have NEVER been an UNKNOWN!....especially if he scored HIGHER than the OTHER 63 qualified players....would he still be an unknown then?
 
realkingcobra said:
Not sure???....LMAO....if SKILL level testing was required pryor to ANY world championship tournament, and every player that wanted to compete was required to prove their ability to MAKE balls and jockey their position in the top 64 positions in the world, and had up to 11 months pryor to the cut off date to secure a spot as ONE of the top 64 players in the world....WU would have NEVER been an UNKNOWN!....especially if he scored HIGHER than the OTHER 63 qualified players....would he still be an unknown then?
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Whatever you say boss.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Whatever you say boss.
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OK, look on that list of the top 100 Fargo rated players and see if you can find Landon Shuffetts' name....didn't he beat Earl like a red headed step child on a Diamond 10'....AFTER Earl beat Shane 15/14 on the same table? You can't find Landon Shuffett' listed because he's going to college and don't have the time to get out and compete on a regular basis....but I can assure you one thing....he can beat a lot of the players in the top 100 on that list....so, does he not count anymore? He has time to practice, but can't afford the time away from college....so, in my plans, he'd still HAVE a chance to play in a world championship tournament, having 11 months to get qualified....for a 4 day maximum time frame tournament!
 
BeiberLvr said:
Whatever you say boss.
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I can assure you buddy....for every ONE player on a Fargo Rating list, there's 10,000 that are NOT, and it's looking through blind eyes to actually believe there's no unknowns left in the world that can suprise everyone if they came forward. MY plans seek them all out, BEFORE they become Fargo rated;)
 
realkingcobra said:
OK, look on that list of the top 100 Fargo rated players and see if you can find Landon Shuffetts' name....didn't he beat Earl like a red headed step child on a Diamond 10'....AFTER Earl beat Shane 15/14 on the same table? You can't find Landon Shuffett' listed because he's going to college and don't have the time to get out and compete on a regular basis....but I can assure you one thing....he can beat a lot of the players in the top 100 on that list....so, does he not count anymore? He has time to practice, but can't afford the time away from college....so, in my plans, he'd still HAVE a chance to play in a world championship tournament, having 11 months to get qualified....for a 4 day maximum time frame tournament!
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If he really wanted to he could also play a qualifier and get in that way.

You seem to think these hidden champions don't have time to play a qualifier, but they do have time for a skills challenge and the actual tournament.
 
BeiberLvr said:
If he really wanted to he could also play a qualifier and get in that way.

You seem to think these hidden champions don't have time to play a qualifier, but they do have time for a skills challenge and the actual tournament.
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You sir...should apply to be the spokes person for why the game of pool is NOT a true SPORT, because you are the prime example of being so narrow minded, you can't even see that you are in the way of making the SPORT of pool a real PROFESSIONAL SPORT on a GLOBAL basis. You completely miss the fact that the more diverse the players are in a true WORLD class tournament, the more the viewership is. God forbid a player from India qualified to play in top 64 players in the world in a true WORLD 10 ball championship....there might be 100,000 viewers alone watching the world championship for $4.95 a day....JUST TO FOLLOW THEIR ONE AND ONLY representative in the world 10 ball championship!
 
Thanks for sharing the ratings. They are becoming more credible with me.

Yes, I agree that America has just one of the top 10 (SVB 2nd) and only three of the top 25 (SVB 2nd, Mike Dechaine 17th, Justin Bergman 21st). Europe also has just one in top 10 (Feijen, 4th) and only three of the top 25 as well (Niels Feijen 4th, Jayson Shaw 11th, Mark Gray 22nd). As it's likely that all six of these players will play in the Mosconi Cup, it looks pretty even on paper per the Fargo numbers.

Of course, rated number 35 is the reigning WPA World Champion, Albin Ouschan, and David Alcaide, Eurotour #3, is ranked 59th, so these don't jive with my sense of things.

Still, Fargo is a work in progress, and there is, indeed, some notable progress here.
 
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