Pattern Racking 9-Ball With Soft Breaking Video

BeiberLvr said:
No. The point is to have a consistent layout after the break.

And guess what happens when you rack the balls in the same pattern each time? Some patterns produce easier layouts than others. Hence why pattern racking is illegal.

As far as using pattern racking to make sure balls aren't tied up. Well that's a first. I guess I always thought how tight the rack was played the biggest role in determining the openness of the layout.

Probably why we use templates
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Well, there's more to it than just racking and breaking the balls if you were to ever really put in the time to study the break. Knowing where to place the balls in the rack is just important as the speed in which you break the rack, as well as where you break from, and as well as where you contact the rack on the break. It's much easier to hit the 1 ball with more accuracy if you're actually aiming at a ball behind the 1 ball and catching the 1 ball in between that aiming point. I learned pattern racking a long time ago when I would spot other players wild balls to win on. You can't just give the wild 8 or 7 to someone then let them break hoping the 9 or wild ball found a pocket on the break. Placement of the wild ball was very important to try and reduce its chances of being made on the break.
 
DelawareDogs said:
I was looking for Donnie on the top 10 list of paid pros on this site. Dennis is at No.5. .....

......who's better at it?
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Morten Andersen has the most NFL field goals in history but I'm sure he's a better football player than Tom Brady. I love comparing apples and oranges.
 
OP you don't seem too bright

a)you complain of a US open rule that was posted online months in advance

b)you can't seem to comprehend that most rule sets consider your racks as cheating, skill or no skill, I guess because you don't agree with the rule it makes it right in your mind
 
Pattern racking

Pattern racking is absolutely cheating! The basic rules of the game are balls are rack randomly (except the 1 & 9 in 9 ball and the 1,2,3 10 in 10 ball).

Please refer Richardson's slogan on the bottom for my further opinion.
 
TWOFORPOOL said:
Pattern racking is absolutely cheating! The basic rules of the game are balls are rack randomly (except the 1 & 9 in 9 ball and the 1,2,3 10 in 10 ball).

Please refer Richardson's slogan on the bottom for my further opinion.
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Yet no one has racked the balls the way I described and mentioned how many racks the ran out of 10 games....LOL...it's not pattern racking if it's the same layout of the balls for everyone....that's called a set rack!
 
realkingcobra said:
Yet no one has racked the balls the way I described and mentioned how many racks the ran out of 10 games....LOL...it's not pattern racking if it's the same layout of the balls for everyone....that's called a set rack!
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Let's back up before you get off subject as you normally do.

I don't have a problem with everyone using the same pattern. My problem is when you said

1. That racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout. This is false

2. That rigging the rack to create gaps isn't cheating and that if someone saw their opponent doing it then it's their fault for not knowing how. This shows your lack of integrity.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Let's back up before you get off subject as you normally do.

I don't have a problem with everyone using the same pattern. My problem is when you said

1. That racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout. This is false
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What the hell is your problem?????....I never ONCE said racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout....NOT ONCE!!! What I said was that with the rack being a pretty set pattern would pretty much give a layout after the break being pretty much the same for who ever breaks. And, it's not a favored rack pattern. I DID how ever state that by moving certain balls to certain positions, such as pattern racking a player has a high probability of predicting the layout of the balls. What are you, about 90 years old or something, can't comprehend what you read? Or just like to acknowledge like you think you know something, while you really don't know shit.
 
realkingcobra said:
What the hell is your problem?????....I never ONCE said racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout....NOT ONCE!!! What I said was that with the rack being a pretty set pattern would pretty much give a layout after the break being pretty much the same for who ever breaks. And, it's not a favored rack pattern. I DID how ever state that by moving certain balls to certain positions, such as pattern racking a player has a high probability of predicting the layout of the balls. What are you, about 90 years old or something, can't comprehend what you read? Or just like to acknowledge like you think you know something, while you really don't know shit.
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Check out these two quotes of yours below. First, you say that all matches will have the same exact pattern. Then you go on to say, that the layouts will never be the same.

So yes, you did say that racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout.

realkingcobra said:
Furthermore, all racks in all matches would be required to be racked in the same exact pattern with the 1 on the spot, the 5,6 in the second row, 2,9,4 third row, 7,8 in the 4th row, and the 3 on the bottom point.
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realkingcobra said:
That's what I've been saying all along, put the LUCK back in the break and you have a battle to win the game AFTER the break because it's no longer an almost guaranteed win AFTER the break because the balls will never be laying in the same pattern after every break.
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BeiberLvr said:
Check out these two quotes of yours below. First, you say that all matches will have the same exact pattern. Then you go on to say, that the layouts will never be the same.

So yes, you did say that racking the balls the same way would result in a different layout.
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I didn't think you could actually use someone's own words against them. Isn't that against the AZ Forum rules or something?
 
BasementDweller said:
I didn't think you could actually use someone's own words against them. Isn't that against the AZ Forum rules or something?
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The reason for the rack pattern I described is because it don't leave the 4 lowest balls out so they're easily playable. Therefore if you have to keep adjusting your break trying to figure out how to get the best layout after the break, the ball spread pattern keeps changing. If you break from the left hand side.of the table, that break pattern don't match up the same as if you broke from the right hand side. If a player isnt getting the desired layout after the break, breaking from one spot on the table....what does he do? He moves the cue ball to another spot and breaks from there...because IT CHANGES THE PATTERN OF THE BALLS AFTER THE BREAK!!!! Now, if a player trains his break to always break from the same spot, and PATTERN racks the balls in such a way that the first 4 balls are laying wide open....then it's lights out!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
The reason for the rack pattern I described is because it don't leave the 4 lowest balls out so they're easily playable. Therefore if you have to keep adjusting your break trying to figure out how to get the best layout after the break, the ball spread pattern keeps changing. If you break from the left hand side.of the table, that break pattern don't match up the same as if you broke from the right hand side. If a player isnt getting the desired layout after the break, breaking from one spot on the table....what does he do? He moves the cue ball to another spot and breaks from there...because IT CHANGES THE PATTERN OF THE BALLS AFTER THE BREAK!!!! Now, if a player trains his break to always break from the same spot, and PATTERN racks the balls in such a way that the first 4 balls are laying wide open....then it's lights out!!!
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Then why not keep the rack where it's been for ages, and just have the players break at different spots? And, make it random? It would be like a golf hole with multiple tee boxes.
 
louieatienza said:
Then why not keep the rack where it's been for ages, and just have the players break at different spots? And, make it random? It would be like a golf hole with multiple tee boxes.
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That's what I've been saying for years. Rack the 1 on the spot using a wooden or plastic rack, set the pattern of the balls as I've described, and let the players break from anywhere in the kitchen.
 
realkingcobra said:
That's what I've been saying for years. Rack the 1 on the spot using a wooden or plastic rack, set the pattern of the balls as I've described, and let the players break from anywhere in the kitchen.
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I would go farther to say, either set 15 numbered spots on the headstring, or lay down some acetate with the numbers printed, pull a pill out of a pill bottle, and that's where you have to break. Now break position is random and not pre-determined by either player, and changes every rack. Of course there'll be crazies that would practice every location, but you'd never know where until you draw a pill. As to the rack, it can be covered with a handkerchief before tightening the balls and lifting the rack, and must be shot as-is.

But really, even in a "fair" rack, an elite player could adjust his break, depending on the lay of the balls in the rack.
 
louieatienza said:
But really, even in a "fair" rack, an elite player could adjust his break, depending on the lay of the balls in the rack.
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The whole idea about a set pattern racking the balls playing 9 or 10 ball is to rack the balls in such a way as to discourage the ability to have an easy laying runout after the break for both players on their breaks. That is why players who actually put in the time to study they lay out of the ball patterns after the break know where to put which ball where in the rack as to insure a good layout of the balls after the break. Making a ball on the break is only great if you have balls playable after they stop rolling around the table, otherwise the break works against the person breaking because then you lose control of the table and your opponent is going to get a turn to shoot as well. At that time, a safety battle may, or may not save your ass.
 
BeiberLvr said:
But if you're using the same pattern then players are going to learn the layouts.
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What are they going to learn about the layouts....that it's almost impossible to string racks together? If a rack after the break is not runable....then it's NOT runable.
 
realkingcobra said:
What are they going to learn about the layouts....that it's almost impossible to string racks together? If a rack after the break is not runable....then it's NOT runable.
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And a layout doesn't need to be runnable to be predictable.

If the 1-4 are in the same spot everytime, then the players are going to face the same shots and eventually make the same decisions.

Preditable.


Boring.
 
BeiberLvr said:
And a layout doesn't need to be runnable to be predictable.

If the 1-4 are in the same spot everytime, then the players are going to face the same shots and eventually make the same decisions.

Preditable.


Boring.
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Well, the only advice I can give you is.....quit watching!
 
BeiberLvr said:
And a layout doesn't need to be runnable to be predictable.

If the 1-4 are in the same spot everytime, then the players are going to face the same shots and eventually make the same decisions.

Preditable.


Boring.
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If you want entertainment instead of being bored to death, get off the couch. What happened, snooker become to boring for you, so you turned to pool for your entertainment, but that's no longer working for you either? Just because you're old, that don't make it the job of this sport to entertain you. Get up, get out....and do something, maybe you'll start feeling better about yourself, and stop relying on others to break your boredom.
 
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