Looking for a few good men (or women) and locations nationwide!

[Sandman]

I posted this on my Facebook page when I was in China at the 5th Annual Joy Cup Chinese 8 Ball Masters. I've been back in the US for a week now and have begun talks with a handful of people all across the country but am still looking for more! I'm aiming for 15-16 locations spread out evenly across the nation. Each location will require a regional organizer that is known, dedicated to the game, and respected in the area as well.

"I'm looking for several locations across the US to discuss a great opportunity to become a sanctioned host location for a number of large scale nationwide unifying projects in the billiards industry for America. Not only sanctioned host locations but also qualified ambassadors of the sport will be appointed as well. If you are interested, or would like to nominate someone in your area worthy of such a position, please message me privately to discuss the details. The selected venues and affiliates will all be compensated throughout this venture." Starting out with the biggest challenge first, introducing Joy tables and Chinese 8 Ball to the US. There will be 4 qualifier winners sent to China each year! One of them will be invited back again for the Grand Final too! It's time American players do a quantum leap to join the ranks of all the other world class players around the globe and put the US in the running once again. It will only improve American play across the board. It's time to raise the bar - not just play in one.

 

[BmoreMoney]

So this is part of the marketing push of Joy tables infiltrating the US? Thanks, but no thanks! Good luck!

 

[Sandman]

Thank you

So this is part of the marketing push of Joy tables infiltrating the US? Thanks, but no thanks! Good luck!

Thank you for your input. This is just the first of many projects to come. Not all Joy related. However, for this first opportunity, I've devised a business plan where regional coordinators and sanctioned host locations will make anywhere from $500-$1,500 at each of the 4 qualifiers they host throughout the year. The top 20% of the players will win cash prizes and the winner will win a $2,000 - $5,000 prize package, fully sponsored with FREE airfare, FREE hotel, FREE entry fee into main events, ultimately playing in Stage 2 events for either $15,000 or $64,000 1st place prizes. Even if they go 2 & out, they get paid.
Usually only World-Class players such as Garreth, Darren or Shane get invited to these events. Others have to qualify through 400 player events.

I respect the fact that you're not interested. Since you're not, do you have anyone in mind that may be interested in promoting this unique opportunity to the players in your local area?

 

[realkingcobra]

Thank you for your input. This is just the first of many projects to come. Not all Joy related. However, for this first opportunity, I've devised a business plan where regional coordinators and sanctioned host locations will make anywhere from $500-$1,500 at each of the 4 qualifiers they host throughout the year. The top 20% of the players will win cash prizes and the winner will win a $2,000 - $5,000 prize package, fully sponsored with FREE airfare, FREE hotel, FREE entry fee into main events, ultimately playing in Stage 2 events for either $15,000 or $64,000 1st place prizes. Even if they go 2 & out, they get paid.
Usually only World-Class players such as Garreth, Darren or Shane get invited to these events. Others have to qualify through 400 player events.

I respect the fact that you're not interested. Since you're not, do you have anyone in mind that may be interested in promoting this unique opportunity to the players in your local area?

What is the difference between a Chinese 8 ball table and a 9ft snooker table?

 

[BmoreMoney]

Thank you for your input. This is just the first of many projects to come. Not all Joy related. However, for this first opportunity, I've devised a business plan where regional coordinators and sanctioned host locations will make anywhere from $500-$1,500 at each of the 4 qualifiers they host throughout the year. The top 20% of the players will win cash prizes and the winner will win a $2,000 - $5,000 prize package, fully sponsored with FREE airfare, FREE hotel, FREE entry fee into main events, ultimately playing in Stage 2 events for either $15,000 or $64,000 1st place prizes. Even if they go 2 & out, they get paid.
Usually only World-Class players such as Garreth, Darren or Shane get invited to these events. Others have to qualify through 400 player events.

I respect the fact that you're not interested. Since you're not, do you have anyone in mind that may be interested in promoting this unique opportunity to the players in your local area?

No, but I'd run it by Trump

 

[Johnnyt]

Sandman,
You should put this thread in the poolroom forum, also on AZB. Would love to see this take off here in the U.S.A. Good luck with it, Johnnyt

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

No, but I'd run it by Trump

You may, or possibly may not know who Ed (The Sandman) is but I can assure you his complete focus is on bettering our sport here in America.

I think it's perfectly okay to disagree with someone's ideas but I would strongly encourage you to appreciate what Ed has done in the past and the fact that he is a really good guy with lots of good intentions.

best,
brian kc

 

[fastone371]

You may, or possibly may not know who Ed (The Sandman) is but I can assure you his complete focus is on bettering our sport here in America.

I think it's perfectly okay to disagree with someone's ideas but I would strongly encourage you to appreciate what Ed has done in the past and the fact that he is a really good guy with lots of good intentions.

best,
brian kc

Good post Mr. Kickin.
I dont know why but it sure seems like people who try to advance pool get a lot "attitude" from some members. If members dont have anything positive to add in a thread why bother posting at all?? People wonder why long time members leave, think this could have something to do with it??

 

[Bank it]

You may, or possibly may not know who Ed (The Sandman) is but I can assure you his complete focus is on bettering our sport here in America.



I think it's perfectly okay to disagree with someone's ideas but I would strongly encourage you to appreciate what Ed has done in the past and the fact that he is a really good guy with lots of good intentions.



best,

brian kc

I respect your opinion but how will this help this sport? I know who Ed is and I love this sport but I want nothing to do with another made up game like Chinese 8 ball anymore than I do bar box pool or leprosy.

 

[PhilosopherKing]

You may, or possibly may not know who Ed (The Sandman) is but I can assure you his complete focus is on bettering our sport here in America.

I think it's perfectly okay to disagree with someone's ideas but I would strongly encourage you to appreciate what Ed has done in the past and the fact that he is a really good guy with lots of good intentions.

best,
brian kc

And the focus of the people, at the top, backing the venture?

Imagine these tables become an overnight success, what happens to American companies like Diamond, Brunswick's billiards division, and Olhausen?

Give American companies time to R&D these tables; then, you can let Joy sponsor these events, and freeze them out of the American market if the game takes-off.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

I respect your opinion but how will this help this sport? I know who Ed is and I love this sport but I want nothing to do with another made up game like Chinese 8 ball anymore than I do bar box pool or leprosy.

lol on the bar box / leprosy... :grin-square:

I dont know enough about it to comment intelligently (or specifically), maybe Ed can provide a response.

I will say that a couple of years ago I got a call from Jayson Shaw at DCC who told me he wanted to get one of these Chinese 8b tables to put in his home room. The fact that Darren had just taken down the Chinese World 8b tourney with the big prize money apparently had BIG appeal.

Like it or not, there is massive new wealth in China and seeing the bigger picture may include working some angles on how we might be able to include ourselves in it.

Could be opportunity is knocking.

best,
brian kc

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

And the focus of the people, at the top, backing the venture?

Imagine these tables become an overnight success, what happens to American companies like Diamond, Brunswick's billiards division, and Olhausen?

Give American companies time to R&D these tables; then, you can let Joy sponsor these events, and freeze them out of the American market if the game takes-off.

Again, I want to emphasize, I don't know enough about Ed's idea but I am confident that his heart is in the right place.

As to your first question about what would the focus be of the people backing such a venture; my guess would be their interest would be growing the sport while making a profit.

And for the other points about hurting Diamond, Brunswick and Olhausen, I believe in free enterprise and have no doubt that Diamond could make a better table if they decided they want to be involved so, I think they could defend themselves well. I saw RKC asked what the diff was between a Chinese 8b table and a 9ft snooker table leading me to think the answer may be 'not much'. I know there's not many 9' snooker tables but do get the point.

As for Brunswick and Olhausen, I can't recall when was the last time either of them sponsored any big tourneys. Plus, unless I'm mistaken, aren't Brunswick tables mostly being made in China now anyway?

The bottom line, as with most things *is* the bottom line.

China has produced some extremely talented players in the last few years, and why shouldn't they? They have 3 billion people to choose from.

To my mind, the biggest key is that, generally speaking, there is a lot of enthusiasm showing up in Asia for pocket billiards. To my mind, the big question is can we (our players) benefit from this apparent enthusiasm along with the deep pockets over there.

Wouldn't it be nice if the answer was yes?

best,
brian kc

 

[jrhendy]

I am interested in more information on this. I sent an email to Sandcastle.

John Henderson

 

[realkingcobra]

And the focus of the people, at the top, backing the venture?

Imagine these tables become an overnight success, what happens to American companies like Diamond, Brunswick's billiards division, and Olhausen?

Give American companies time to R&D these tables; then, you can let Joy sponsor these events, and freeze them out of the American market if the game takes-off.

If...Chinese 8 ball were to take off so to speak here in the USA, it wouldn't hurt Diamond a bit, all we'd have to do is produce the 9ft snooker rails and put them on a 9ft ProAm....no big deal. BUT, if I were Diamond....I'd insist on payment in full before I shipped the tables to the buyer and in no way would I finance them.

 

[Inaction]

One difference between the Chinese 8 ball table and a 9 ft snooker table is the rails. I have not seen a table myself, but was told that the edge that the ball comes into contact with the rail is flat (about 1/4 inch).

A friend of mine saw Shane's table in Sioux Falls and thought that these rails rebounded a little truer than the regular rails.

 

[realkingcobra]

One difference between the Chinese 8 ball table and a 9 ft snooker table is the rails. I have not seen a table myself, but was told that the edge that the ball comes into contact with the rail is flat (about 1/4 inch).

A friend of mine saw Shane's table in Sioux Falls and thought that these rails rebounded a little truer than the regular rails.

Are you talking about the 9ft downstairs at Mr. Luckys?

 

[Sandman]

Hahhahaahhaha

HAHAHAHA ::

I can't help but to laugh at some of the off-topic conspiracy theories and conclusions some people jump to. It is truly entertaining. Thank you for the laugh. I love you all because we are all brethren in this game we share a passion for.

Let's stop failing and start winning. The rest of the World is. Why not us?

(The following bold font is not yelling - just stressing the important stuff )

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR PLAYERS TO GET SOME CHINESE $$$ RMB YUAN $$$$ AND RAISE THE LEVEL OF PLAY HERE IN THE STATES. AMERICAN PLAYERS WILL BE FULLY SPONSORED (Flights & Hotel Accommodations) TO COMPETE IN CHINA AND WIN THEIR MONEY TO BRING BACK HOME. :thumbup:

I want to see American players BACK ON TOP in the global scheme of billiards. We were the KINGS of billiards in the US in the 60's - 80's and still competitive in the 90's. Since then we've fallen light-years behind the rest of the world in skill set. Like it or not, we have to admit that and ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

Europeans, Middle Easterners, Spaniards, South Africans, and Asians play snooker, 3 cushion, pyramid, Blackball, Blackpool, and pocket billiards. Americans play very little snooker, a little 3 cushion, quite a bit of standard size 9 foot pocket billiards and ummmmmmm oh yeah MAINLY "miniature pool" in bars on substandard miniature equipment with larger pockets and wrong unofficial made up rules making it so easy anyone can play. Hmmmmmmmm maybe that's why we no longer produce any world-class competitors and the ONLY one we do have, Shane VanBoening (love ya brother just stating a fact) struggles out there with them in this game with the tougher table conditions. Alex Pagulayan loves snooker and adapted to this game easily. Corey Deuel also has snooker experience and adapted to this game quickly this year and finished in the top 24. (By the way, he was only there because he won the one and only US qualifier for the event which I held in NJ giving him the opportunity) Now I'm trying to offer every American pool player, amateur or pro the very SAME opportunity he had. Jayson Shaw is in love with the table, had 6 foot tables like this with tiny balls in Scotland and absolutely LOVES this 9 foot version with American size balls. WHERE ARE AMERICA'S "BALLS" to step it up? Same game - tougher table. Are we all scared like everything else in today's sensitive society? MAN UP American pool players. Be

The game is called "Chinese 8-Ball" but in fact is a conglomeration of multiple game disciplines from all around the world including American 8-Ball, English Blackball, Blackpool & Snooker.
It's good old WPA 8-Ball (Stripes vs. Solids, Ball in hand behind the headstring after a foul on the break, ball in hand anywhere on the table any other time, call the 8-Ball, only difference is that you must use the same balls to claim a group of balls when the table is open after the break and you can luck in a group ball which hardly ever happens due to the difficulty of the table)
The table has snooker style cut pockets with a 3.5 inch opening going back to a 3 & 3/8 jaw. Rather than playing on a 6 x 12 foot snooker table, it is brought down to standard American size of 4.5 x 9 feet. The balls used are American standard size of 2.25 inches as opposed to English balls, smaller snooker balls or even smaller Scottish balls used in their games. In actuality, the game is more American than any other nationality. LOL Most players had trouble adjusting to the ball size over anything else. It is a very difficult table to master and will only raise the level of play here in America for both amateurs and pros that decide to take their game to the next level.

This is not an infiltration of tables. Nobody is looking to replace all the tables we have here with Chinese products. Personally I always have been a Brunswick fan and still am. I also appreciate the well constructed and beautiful Gabriel tables. I've been to the Joy factory in China and have seen first hand how well constructed they are. The tables are 1.3 TONS (over 2600 lbs) with 2" thick slate, steel reinforced rails for the most consistent bounce that will probably never wear over time, heavy solid laminated hard maple table components that each weigh 40-60 pounds for solid sturdiness and top quality play-ability. Just as many pool rooms feature 1 or 2 snooker tables, or 1 or 2 three-cushion billiard tables to offer to their clientele among a room full of Diamond or Brunswick tables, this is what I'm proposing to offer our players here as well. That is all.

 

[realkingcobra]

HAHAHAHA ::

I can't help but to laugh at some of the off-topic conspiracy theories and conclusions some people jump to. It is truly entertaining. Thank you for the laugh. I love you all because we are all brethren in this game we share a passion for.

Let's stop failing and start winning. The rest of the World is. Why not us?

(The following bold font is not yelling - just stressing the important stuff )

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR PLAYERS TO GET SOME CHINESE $$$ RMB YUAN $$$$ AND RAISE THE LEVEL OF PLAY HERE IN THE STATES. AMERICAN PLAYERS WILL BE FULLY SPONSORED (Flights & Hotel Accommodations) TO COMPETE IN CHINA AND WIN THEIR MONEY TO BRING BACK HOME. :thumbup:

I want to see American players BACK ON TOP in the global scheme of billiards. We were the KINGS of billiards in the US in the 60's - 80's and still competitive in the 90's. Since then we've fallen light-years behind the rest of the world in skill set. Like it or not, we have to admit that and ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

Europeans, Middle Easterners, Spaniards, South Africans, and Asians play snooker, 3 cushion, pyramid, Blackball, Blackpool, and pocket billiards. Americans play very little snooker, a little 3 cushion, quite a bit of standard size 9 foot pocket billiards and ummmmmmm oh yeah MAINLY "miniature pool" in bars on substandard miniature equipment with larger pockets and wrong unofficial made up rules making it so easy anyone can play. Hmmmmmmmm maybe that's why we no longer produce any world-class competitors and the ONLY one we do have, Shane VanBoening (love ya brother just stating a fact) struggles out there with them in this game with the tougher table conditions. Alex Pagulayan loves snooker and adapted to this game easily. Corey Deuel also has snooker experience and adapted to this game quickly this year and finished in the top 24. (By the way, he was only there because he won the one and only US qualifier for the event which I held in NJ giving him the opportunity) Now I'm trying to offer every American pool player, amateur or pro the very SAME opportunity he had. Jayson Shaw is in love with the table, had 6 foot tables like this with tiny balls in Scotland and absolutely LOVES this 9 foot version with American size balls. WHERE ARE AMERICA'S "BALLS" to step it up? Same game - tougher table. Are we all scared like everything else in today's sensitive society? MAN UP American pool players. Be

The game is called "Chinese 8-Ball" but in fact is a conglomeration of multiple game disciplines from all around the world including American 8-Ball, English Blackball, Blackpool & Snooker.
It's good old WPA 8-Ball (Stripes vs. Solids, Ball in hand behind the headstring after a foul on the break, ball in hand anywhere on the table any other time, call the 8-Ball, only difference is that you must use the same balls to claim a group of balls when the table is open after the break and you can luck in a group ball which hardly ever happens due to the difficulty of the table)
The table has snooker style cut pockets with a 3.5 inch opening going back to a 3 & 3/8 jaw. Rather than playing on a 6 x 12 foot snooker table, it is brought down to standard American size of 4.5 x 9 feet. The balls used are American standard size of 2.25 inches as opposed to English balls, smaller snooker balls or even smaller Scottish balls used in their games. In actuality, the game is more American than any other nationality. LOL Most players had trouble adjusting to the ball size over anything else. It is a very difficult table to master and will only raise the level of play here in America for both amateurs and pros that decide to take their game to the next level.

This is not an infiltration of tables. Nobody is looking to replace all the tables we have here with Chinese products. Personally I always have been a Brunswick fan and still am. I also appreciate the well constructed and beautiful Gabriel tables. I've been to the Joy factory in China and have seen first hand how well constructed they are. The tables are 1.3 TONS (over 2600 lbs) with 2" thick slate, steel reinforced rails for the most consistent bounce that will probably never wear over time, heavy solid laminated hard maple table components that each weigh 40-60 pounds for solid sturdiness and top quality play-ability. Just as many pool rooms feature 1 or 2 snooker tables, or 1 or 2 three-cushion billiard tables to offer to their clientele among a room full of Diamond or Brunswick tables, this is what I'm proposing to offer our players here as well. That is all.

You know the old saying...."lead by example" right, so how many of these Chinese 8 ball tables do you have in YOUR pool room....6...8....12?

 

[Inaction]

Are you talking about the 9ft downstairs at Mr. Luckys?

Yes, Shane's table in the basement. It was installed about 5 or 6 weeks ago. Pictures were posted on someone's facebook page.

 

[Sandman]

You know the old saying...."lead by example" right, so how many of these Chinese 8 ball tables do you have in YOUR pool room....6...8....12?

One right now and soon to be a second one. How many will YOU get?

All you need is 1 or 2 to feature in your favorite location just like a 3 cushion table or a snooker table to offer choices to your clientele to enjoy and possibly offer opportunities for them to compete and get a free ride to a major event to win big bucks.

I've already made it possible for an American player to go to China ALL EXPENSES PAID - EVEN MEALS. I want to send even MORE! You obviously do not do your homework Glenn.

What will YOU do for all of American players this year? What HAVE you EVER done for American players as a whole, without any profit for yourself?

THAT'S WHO I'M looking for. People that actually DO THINGS for others in this game out of the kindness of their heart or their love for the game - Not just throw their 2 cents in to feel special or promote their own agendas.


PS,
No disrespect but, do you have any intelligent productive thoughts to add to the TOPIC of this thread? If not, go away. I will not get into a childish and immature pissing contest with anyone.

Where have all the productive pool people gone?