One Pocket - Intentional Foul Etiquette

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Any decent one hole player knows the value of a good intentional foul, but I had a kid play one on me I've never seen anyone else do.

I had him in big trouble, and he reached into his corner pocket and pulled a ball out and spotted it. I asked what the hell that was supposed to be, and he said he's taking a foul.

We were only playing $50/game, so I let it go. I'm 48 years old, and the kid's probably 21 and plays strong. Maybe it's the generational gap, but claiming a foul without actually shooting a foul doesn't seem right.

Out of curiosity, is this becoming a new trend? Or has it always been part of the game and I've been fortunate enough to avoid having it happen to me?

I suppose the next time I trap a guy that pulls that move on me again, I'll pull the same move right back. As long as he starts it he'll either be forced to make a move or he'll hit three consecutive fouls and forfeit the game.

What do you think?
 
BC21 said:
Any decent one hole player knows the value of a good intentional foul, but I had a kid play one on me I've never seen anyone else do.

I had him in big trouble, and he reached into his corner pocket and pulled a ball out and spotted it. I asked what the hell that was supposed to be, and he said he's taking a foul.

We were only playing $50/game, so I let it go. I'm 48 years old, and the kid's probably 21 and plays strong. Maybe it's the generational gap, but claiming a foul without actually shooting a foul doesn't seem right.

Out of curiosity, is this becoming a new trend? Or has it always been part of the game and I've been fortunate enough to avoid having it happen to me?

I suppose the next time I trap a guy that pulls that move on me again, I'll pull the same move right back. As long as he starts it he'll either be forced to make a move or he'll hit three consecutive fouls and forfeit the game.

What do you think?
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What if a guy pulls a ball out of the pocket to see if the cueball will pass through a gap? That's a foul and he didn't need to shoot anything.
 
That is bad sportsmanship in my opinion, but if I were gambling cheap I doubt I would even bring it up. This is at least better than the people who take a foul by squeezing the cue ball up to the jaw of the pocket thinking they are the next einstein.
 
If it were my game he would have to touch the cue ball with the stick. Anything could happen you have to attempt some shot. My two cents
 
Kamikazecuetips said:
I think he has to at least tap the cue ball with his stick??
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Yes, I have seen that many times. I guess there's really no etiquette. It's all about the win, which I don't mind. But afterwards it occurred to me that I could've forced the kid to do something or lose on 3. I've never thought about winning 1-hole with a 3-foul rule.... Interesting though.
 
BC21 said:
... What do you think?
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By the official rules, you are required to shoot a shot when it's your turn. A shot can only be played by a forward motion of the cue stick with the tip contacting the cue ball.

Some players think it's OK to simply pass. It's not, at least according to the official rules.

I think you should ask him to shoot a shot.
 
Bob Jewett said:
By the official rules, you are required to shoot a shot when it's your turn. A shot can only be played by a forward motion of the cue stick with the tip contacting the cue ball.

Some players think it's OK to simply pass. It's not, at least according to the official rules.

I think you should ask him to shoot a shot.
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forward motion = what? towards the object ball from my body? Meaning can I move my tip from right to left across the top of the ball and move the ball, ever so gently, to the left, only contacting with my tip.
 
Bob Jewett said:
By the official rules, you are required to shoot a shot when it's your turn. A shot can only be played by a forward motion of the cue stick with the tip contacting the cue ball.

Some players think it's OK to simply pass. It's not, at least according to the official rules.

I think you should ask him to shoot a shot.
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Nice explanation, I guess my argument that he had made a deliberate foul by placing a ball on the spot ended his inning is incorrect.

From the 1p.org site:

6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke
 
T-dog said:
forward motion = what? towards the object ball from my body? Meaning can I move my tip from right to left across the top of the ball and move the ball, ever so gently, to the left, only contacting with my tip.
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Swiping the ball is not a legal shot, as I recall from prior discussion on the webs greatest resource for pool.

There is a 'shot' in 1p just barely tap the cb when it is frozen to another ball, very close to the rail. You know the shot...you have sold out both pushing right through it, and by not moving it enough:grin: we all have.

Anyway, your shot: put tip just under center ball and lift it up quickly, brushing a small amount of the cb as you raise the tip and causing very little force transferred to cb. It is a good shot...

...if you can get away with it!

FOUL!
 
PoppaSaun said:
Nice explanation, I guess my argument that he had made a deliberate foul by placing a ball on the spot ended his inning is incorrect.

From the 1p.org site:

6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke
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I like your name.

You single?
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Bob Jewett said:
By the official rules, you are required to shoot a shot when it's your turn. A shot can only be played by a forward motion of the cue stick with the tip contacting the cue ball.
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What if your cue was completely vertical (like shooting a masse shot) and you contact the exact top-center of the ball such that the ball doesn't move?
 
T-dog said:
forward motion = what? towards the object ball from my body? Meaning can I move my tip from right to left across the top of the ball and move the ball, ever so gently, to the left, only contacting with my tip.
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Forward along the axis of the cue stick. For a masse shot, that might be nearly straight down relative to the table.

This is a fairly recent clarification of what constitutes a stroke that was prompted by the "lift" safety some were playing -- lift the tip past the edge of the cue ball to get a very soft, glancing hit.
 
What if the guy was locked down against a ball and you had a ball in front of your pocket and the angel would not be one where you could play safe could you skip off the top of the cue ball hit the object ball and knock that ball away from the pocket


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Bob Jewett said:
By the official rules, you are required to shoot a shot when it's your turn. A shot can only be played by a forward motion of the cue stick with the tip contacting the cue ball.

Some players think it's OK to simply pass. It's not, at least according to the official rules.

I think you should ask him to shoot a shot.
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That's what I told him, but I guess he needed all the help he could get, since I would not give him a spot.
 
one stroke said:
What if the guy was locked down against a ball and you had a ball in front of your pocket and the angel would not be one where you could play safe could you skip off the top of the cue ball hit the object ball and knock that ball away from the pocket


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I think there will be fewer problems if you don't do that stuff.
 
How about intentionally double hitting the cue ball while sending it to make a ball sitting in the other guys hole.
 
cookie man said:
How about intentionally double hitting the cue ball while sending it to make a ball sitting in the other guys hole.
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I'd say that's not allowed. It's a lot like trapping the cue ball in a corner hook. Does onepocket.org have anything to say about it?

Actually, there are situations at nine ball where you might want to do the same thing -- no way to hit the one ball and the nine sitting in the pocket, so just jam the cue ball through.
 
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if you are so picky just ask him to touch the cue ball with his tip.
then maybe if he is stuck and ready to lose all his cash he may just quit after that game.
then you can be proud that you enforced the rules exactly even when it makes no difference.
 
maha said:
if you are so picky just ask him to touch the cue ball with his tip.
then maybe if he is stuck and ready to lose all his cash he may just quit after that game.
then you can be proud that you enforced the rules exactly even when it makes no difference.
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Since you didn't quote anyone, I presume you speak to the issue at hand...

He said he didn't bust the kid out on it, so this is mainly a discussion about what constitutes a 'shot'. Theoretical discourse, as it wars.
 
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