Are you flip-flopping now?
Maybe you should apologize to Jay.
Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls
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Maybe you should apologize to Jay.
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I was being facetious, I thought someone suggesting he read about skidding was funny. I think he's amazing player
Joey, Lou was being sarcastic based on the comments he was responding to, nust like i was. In that 95% of the Pro's that don't like the Cyclop balls, how many are from this country and how many are from other countries, cuz you sure don't hear them complaining about them. What balls wherenused in the last Marconi match....because if they weren't the Cyclop balls, then what was team America's excuse for losing again....i forgot, remind me please...LMAO
Or the manufacturer can listen to them.
You know like using " US TECHNOLOGY" ?
Like listening to PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS AND FEEDBACK.
First you wanted proofs the pros don't like them.
One has come out .
Now you're advising them to boycott the tournaments and " words have consequences."
What's next?
Do you even own a set of cyclop balls?
And I say to you that there are still no specific citations -- just hearsay from one individual.
Lou Figueroa
au contraire.
Not a pro, of course, but I do play in his local room -- Teacher's in St Peters where Justin is the house pro. His photos are plastered all over the place.
Lou Figueroa
can you
hear me now?
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Why? Apologize because people have different opinions? Apparently I know that better than you ;-)
Lou Figueroa
He, and other pros, should read about skidding.
Nothing funny about it because apparently they do not understand what causes it. There is a good list of pros -- going back to Mosconi and Sigel -- who mistakenly thought one thing was happening on a pool table when it was another.
Science is a bee-atch
Lou Figueroa
Some guys don't like them. I'm sure they've heard that.
But if you, as the manufacturer, feel you've produced a better product, and make incremental improvements (see new Cyclop CB) you fade all that because in 20 years everyone is going to say your product is the standard for the industry (see Diamond pool table).
And then people can b*tch about what the next guy came up with.
Lou Figueroa
Captain Mingaud:
about that new tip...
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I'm surprised this thread still has life. I don't really care any more. What remains true for me is that there was a problem with the original cue balls. That's a fact no matter how someone wants to spin it. The owner of the company was there in Vegas and when he saw what was going on the necessary changes were made. I'm not aware of any problems with the cue balls after that.
The only other thing that I pointed out to him was that the colors of the six and seven ball could create problems for the players (and it has). After you play so many years with one color ball, it's very hard to orient yourself to a new color, especially when it is so similar to another ball. It also presented a problem for commentators watching on TV monitors. It can be difficult to ascertain the six from the seven without careful inspection. I found myself standing up on the podium, trying to get a better look at the balls because I was confused which ball was which.
That's about all I've got to say on the subject. I'm not interested in debating anyone on the merits of one ball over another. I'm still trying to figure out how to get them in the hole. :thumbup:
The only other thing that I pointed out to him was that the colors of the six and seven ball could create problems for the players (and it has). After you play so many years with one color ball, it's very hard to orient yourself to a new color, especially when it is so similar to another ball. It also presented a problem for commentators watching on TV monitors. It can be difficult to ascertain the six from the seven without careful inspection. I found myself standing up on the podium, trying to get a better look at the balls because I was confused which ball was which.
That's about all I've got to say on the subject. I'm not interested in debating anyone on the merits of one ball over another. I'm still trying to figure out how to get them in the hole. :thumbup:
Fast Lenny, I like the measle ball best. That's what I practice with most & figured that's what we would use. It's HUGE, pool is a game of millimeters and playing with a different cue ball every other weekend will definitely lower a top players skill. The best players usually adjust but sometimes it hurts the better player, better players play a more precise game.
I don't want to sound like a cry baby or someone that always wants to change the rules but I would like to play a tournament where you use whatever cue ball you want. Like in golf, if you made Phil Mickelson use Dustin Johnson ball without or acting much with it, GUARANTEED he will be a little off.
So they were wrong, you were wrong, RKC was wrong as it's highly unlikely a representative of Aramith would go on record knowingly lying about his own product. You guys certainly owe Aramith and Cyclop customers an apology. Maybe even some refunds are in order for people who feel dissatisfied with finding out that, in fact, their balls are not superior to Aramith balls in resin content.
As far as your smudges go, I always took you as a man interested in finding out the truth in any given situation such as this. As someone interested in facts, you should be well aware of how much anecdotes and hearsay are worth as evidence.
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How was I wrong? If Aramith has said something different, then what we have are competeimg claims in the market place -- not the first time that has happen -- and an independent test lab would be needed. We wouldn't know who is wrong until independent tests were accomplished, would we?
And as I said in my post, I was relating *my personal experience*. However, if you go back through the numerous Cyclop ball threads over the last couple of years you will see that others have also noted that the Cyclop balls stay cleaner longer.
Lou Figueroa
Because you are pushing the "Cyclop has higher resin content" agenda. At the very least, you should be neutral, but in reality, Ivan Lee is the more credible source of information as he has actual direct access to the info. To claim that he is wrong is essentially calling his character into question as opposed to the quality of the balls.
Certainly the general concensus is that they seem to stay clean longer. The reason for that being higher resin content, however, cannot be concluded just from that.
Ivan Lee would be a very credible source. Can you point me to his statement?
However in any case, the source on the Cyclop ball info is also highly credible and that would be Paul Smith of Diamond, working with the Cyclop factory reps and the guy who originally developed the Hyatt balls. All these guys also have direct access to the pertinent info, no?
Lou Figueroa
I already posted this once, here it is again.
http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11258-setting-the-record-straight-on-aramith-phenolic-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/
Also, I highly doubt someone not working with Aramith has direct access to the formula they are using. He may have not been lying outright, but if he only found 57% resin content in Aramith balls with aramith claiming 98%, it is more likely that his testing procedure was flawed.
Lol.....that's not enough, this is Lou.
This won't mean anything to him.
It's gotta be notarized, certified and stamped by the State Department for authenticity and the people making the statement have to pass a lie detector test....made and designed only by Lou himself. FBI lie detector tests don't come close to Lou's very own.
Anything else is and it's only Lou's words that count and we all better just sit down and listen up.
He's the Yoda of Balls.
Wow, 57% resin and 43% fillers .
Must be why those Centennials and Premier suck so bad.
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