Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls

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I don't know about the weight or any specifics of Cyclop balls, but I can tell you 95 percent of the pros do not like them. They react different, they skid a ton, it's even hard to tell the 6 & 7 apart, and many other little things. The skids happen so often you can almost guarantee in a set you will get a skid, in a race to 7, bar table, magic rack, a skid will cost a player the match. I play different shots instead of just following the cue ball on a small cut, I spin it with a touch of draw to eliminate a skid making the shit a little harder but at least it won't skid. Almost every pro level player I've ever talked to has the same opinion as me.
 
Justin Bergman said:
I don't know about the weight or any specifics of Cyclop balls, but I can tell you 95 percent of the pros do not like them. They react different, they skid a ton, it's even hard to tell the 6 & 7 apart, and many other little things. The skids happen so often you can almost guarantee in a set you will get a skid, in a race to 7, bar table, magic rack, a skid will cost a player the match. I play different shots instead of just following the cue ball on a small cut, I spin it with a touch of draw to eliminate a skid making the shit a little harder but at least it won't skid. Almost every pro level player I've ever talked to has the same opinion as me.
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Truth spoken. Aramith is the pro choice from what I have heard from most. Which cue ball do you prefer Justin?
 
Justin Bergman said:
I don't know about the weight or any specifics of Cyclop balls, but I can tell you 95 percent of the pros do not like them. They react different, they skid a ton, it's even hard to tell the 6 & 7 apart, and many other little things. The skids happen so often you can almost guarantee in a set you will get a skid, in a race to 7, bar table, magic rack, a skid will cost a player the match. I play different shots instead of just following the cue ball on a small cut, I spin it with a touch of draw to eliminate a skid making the shit a little harder but at least it won't skid. Almost every pro level player I've ever talked to has the same opinion as me.
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We're gonna need video confessions and signed affidavits. :D
I've never seen a pro player walk in disgust and give up a match because he shot the wrong ball until the mentioned set of balls was used .
 
realkingcobra said:
Let me get this straight, so you like a company that took the original formula of 86% phenolic resin when Hyatt invented the perfect pool balls which created the Brunswick centennial balls, cut the formula down to 56% phenolic resin cheaping the balls, then over time has raised the price of the cheaper balls more and more over the years, knowing they're not made the same as the original formula.....hmmmm, ok....i guess...it's your money.
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http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11258-setting-the-record-straight-on-aramith-phenolic-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/

1) Resin content
As you know, “competitors" claim their resin is made of 85% phenolic, so they admit it's a blend.

The Aramith® balls (not just the Super Aramith Pro, but also the Premium and Premier sets) are made of over 98 % of pure genuine phenolic resin, the balance being the color (dyes or pigments) and additives.
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Are you saying that Aramith flat out lied in that article?
 
realkingcobra said:
Youre so far off base its a joke, the ONLY thing ANYONE cares about is that if they have a complaint about the balls.... is there someone that is going to resolve their problem... and as Mark has already said....FREE EXCHANGE....NO PROBLEM....JUST SEND THEM IN....AND WE'LL REPLACE THEM FOR.....FREE! That is what people really care about, and they'reall willing to support Diamond and Mark until someone provides a real reason not to. And just for the record, neither Cyclop, Diamond, or Mark OWE you an explaination as to what the defect in the cue.balls was....so, do YOU have some balls you'd like to exchange for FREE or NOT?
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Maybe you and I read his post differently. I don't think he's off base at all. As a consumer, I can tell you that after reading this thread I will never buy a set of Cyclop balls. People form their opinions for many different reasons.
 
Justin Bergman said:
I don't know about the weight or any specifics of Cyclop balls, but I can tell you 95 percent of the pros do not like them. They react different, they skid a ton, it's even hard to tell the 6 & 7 apart, and many other little things. The skids happen so often you can almost guarantee in a set you will get a skid, in a race to 7, bar table, magic rack, a skid will cost a player the match. I play different shots instead of just following the cue ball on a small cut, I spin it with a touch of draw to eliminate a skid making the shit a little harder but at least it won't skid. Almost every pro level player I've ever talked to has the same opinion as me.
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Justin, a couple of things. First, maybe you have trouble telling the colors apart on the skittles set but now the traditional colored set of Cyclop have become prevalent.

Second, skid happens because of friction between the CB and OB at the point of impact between the two balls. There is no inherent property to any set of balls to cause skids. The problem is more likely the use of super hard break and jump cue tips that are abrading the CB and leaving small rough spots and some of the newer chalks that leave more chalk residue on the CB on each shot. (Because they are harder, Cyclop balls probably resist abrasion more than other brands.) Those things lead to more friction and more skids. The perception might be it's the balls but it's not and if the pros you've spoken to all have the same misconception about the physics of skid, it would explain why they don't like the balls. If I believed skid was caused by the balls I wouldn't like them either. You might be interested in reading this about the effect:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2014/july14.pdf

Lastly, there are pros out there that like the Cyclop balls. (I believe SF said they were the best balls he's played with, but that's just going on memory.) Cyclop do play differently but not worse, just different and every year the same guys do just fine playing with them at the DCC and other events. It's really more like the difference between a RC CB and a measles CB -- players have a preference but adjust. I'm guessing that if Cyclop predated Aramith, people would be saying they don't like Aramith simply because it's change.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Masayoshi said:
http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11258-setting-the-record-straight-on-aramith-phenolic-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/



Are you saying that Aramith flat out lied in that article?
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Cyclop has analyzed the Ariamith balls as well and have come up with different specs than claimed too. The super Aramith Pro sets of balls won't maintain a shine no matter hos much you clean them and their abrasive surface adds friction and decreases the life of the cloth overall, but the more expansive Durmith ball set don't lose tbeir shine, and don't add to friction wear on the cloth....why is that? They're both made by Aramith right?
 
easy-e said:
Maybe you and I read his post differently. I don't think he's off base at all. As a consumer, I can tell you that after reading this thread I will never buy a set of Cyclop balls. People form their opinions for many different reasons.
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Who owns the company that makes the cue tips you have installed on your cues? Wbo owns the company that makes the chalk you buy? What's the owners names that own Aramith today?
 
realkingcobra said:
Who owns the company that makes the cue tips you have installed on your cues? Wbo owns the company that makes the chalk you buy? What's the owners names that own Aramith today?
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Doesn't matter. This thread has soured my opinion of Cyclop balls. If a thread about Kamui came out similar to this, I'd buy different tips. My point is that the product itself is not all that matters.
 
easy-e said:
Doesn't matter. This thread has soured my opinion of Cyclop balls. If a thread about Kamui came out similar to this, I'd buy different tips. My point is that the product itself is not all that matters.
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No, what really matters is that this thread is 3 years old, yet you seem to think its todays news because nothing has changed in the last three years. Sure is short sided on your end. Not one person has come on here and complained they didn't get their money back if they asked for it, not one person has complained about having their cue ball replaced for free. No one is complaining today about how the Cyclop balls play, and they ARE used in all tournaments with Diamond tables. So i feel i have to ask you, you do know this IS the year 2017 don't you, or are you living three years in the past still? Because if you'renot aware of it, a lot of things have changed in the last three years!
 
realkingcobra said:
No, what really matters is that this thread is 3 years old, yet you seem to think its todays news because nothing has changed in the last three years. Sure is short sided on your end. Not one person has come on here and complained they didn't get their money back if they asked for it, not one person has complained about having their cue ball replaced for free. No one is complaining today about how the Cyclop balls play, and they ARE used in all tournaments with Diamond tables. So i feel i have to ask you, you do know this IS the year 2017 don't you, or are you living three years in the past still? Because if you'renot aware of it, a lot of things have changed in the last three years!
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I feel like we're arguing different points. YOU said that all people care about is whether the issue gets resolved or not. I'm telling you that's not true. Another poster mentioned that he would like to know WHY the issue was caused. It may not be our "right" to get certain information, but we can certainly use that lack of information make our decisions about our purchases.

And didn't Justin Bergman JUST post on here a complaint about how the balls play?

I'm not sure why you feel the need to reply using sarcasm and an "asshole" tone, but it sure doesn't help people see the points you're trying to make.
 
easy-e said:
I feel like we're arguing different points. YOU said that all people care about is whether the issue gets resolved or not. I'm telling you that's not true. Another poster mentioned that he would like to know WHY the issue was caused. It may not be our "right" to get certain information, but we can certainly use that lack of information make our decisions about our purchases.

And didn't Justin Bergman JUST post on here a complaint about how the balls play?

I'm not sure why you feel the need to reply using sarcasm and an "asshole" tone, but it sure doesn't help people see the points you're trying to make.
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And neither does riding a bandwagon 3 years old, why someting happened is beside the point, the point is the problem has been corrected....so move on, get over it. Call the problem trial and error if you really need to know what happened, most ALL manufacturing companies go through it.
 
lfigueroa said:
Justin, a couple of things. First, maybe you have trouble telling the colors apart on the skittles set but now the traditional colored set of Cyclop have become prevalent.

Second, skid happens because of friction between the CB and OB at the point of impact between the two balls. There is no inherent property to any set of balls to cause skids. The problem is more likely the use of super hard break and jump cue tips that are abrading the CB and leaving small rough spots and some of the newer chalks that leave more chalk residue on the CB on each shot. (Because they are harder, Cyclop balls probably resist abrasion more than other brands.) Those things lead to more friction and more skids. The perception might be it's the balls but it's not and if the pros you've spoken to all have the same misconception about the physics of skid, it would explain why they don't like the balls. If I believed skid was caused by the balls I wouldn't like them either. You might be interested in reading this about the effect:

http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2014/july14.pdf

Lastly, there are pros out there that like the Cyclop balls. (I believe SF said they were the best balls he's played with, but that's just going on memory.) Cyclop do play differently but not worse, just different and every year the same guys do just fine playing with them at the DCC and other events. It's really more like the difference between a RC CB and a measles CB -- players have a preference but adjust. I'm guessing that if Cyclop predated Aramith, people would be saying they don't like Aramith simply because it's change.

Lou Figueroa
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Yeah Bergman, learn how to play the game bro-
 
easy-e said:
I feel like we're arguing different points. YOU said that all people care about is whether the issue gets resolved or not. I'm telling you that's not true. Another poster mentioned that he would like to know WHY the issue was caused. It may not be our "right" to get certain information, but we can certainly use that lack of information make our decisions about our purchases.

And didn't Justin Bergman JUST post on here a complaint about how the balls play?

I'm not sure why you feel the need to reply using sarcasm and an "asshole" tone, but it sure doesn't help people see the points you're trying to make.
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Here, I'll tell you what, just so you can make up your own mind, I'll give you an explaination you can accept or not, your choice. The pancake batter so to speak of phenolic resin when making up the batter to produce the cue balls didn'tget blended together as good as it should have been, which created higher density areas in the cue ball than other areas, which resulted in the cue balls having slightly heavy spots so to speak, which in turn showed up in the roll of the cue balls as in not being able to maintain a straight ballanced roll. BUT the problem with the roll of the cue ball in this conversation had nothing to do with the cue ball what-so-ever as Mark clearly pointed out, and as i pointed out as well previously too. Now, accept it or don't, your choice.
 
Justin Bergman said:
I don't know about the weight or any specifics of Cyclop balls, but I can tell you 95 percent of the pros do not like them. They react different, they skid a ton, it's even hard to tell the 6 & 7 apart, and many other little things. The skids happen so often you can almost guarantee in a set you will get a skid, in a race to 7, bar table, magic rack, a skid will cost a player the match. I play different shots instead of just following the cue ball on a small cut, I spin it with a touch of draw to eliminate a skid making the shit a little harder but at least it won't skid. Almost every pro level player I've ever talked to has the same opinion as me.
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Very much appreciate your comment and insight.
 
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