Aim System proponents, answer this?

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Well I could throw around a few names like maybe Billy Thorpe, Alex Ollinger, Brian White, Larry Neville, and so on that I have frequently heard called A players, although I've seen them all player several times and they are quite competitive in the pro tournaments, which is a far cry from the local bar having a shootout with 8 people on a 7 footer playing 8 ball, for example. You can call yourself whatever you wish, but given this venue I doubt that term is appropriate.

They are above A. There are several charts on what constitutes different level players. The guys you mentioned are far from being the lowest level to be called an A player.
 
Well I could throw around a few names like maybe Billy Thorpe, Alex Ollinger, Brian White, Larry Neville, and so on that I have frequently heard called A players, although I've seen them all player several times and they are quite competitive in the pro tournaments, which is a far cry from the local bar having a shootout with 8 people on a 7 footer playing 8 ball, for example. You can call yourself whatever you wish, but given this venue I doubt that term is appropriate.

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https://youtu.be/CAY9W8XhqHs

Okay, at the risk becoming the laughing stock of AZ, I posted potting the first set up shot twice in a row just to see the difference in CB reaction. The first one hit the point and barely went in. The second one was hit correctly and watch the CB line to the end rail. That is a very thin long distance shot! What aiming system did I use? Just trying to hit the OB as thin as I could. :wink:

Your not the laughing stock of AZB by the way.

What ever aiming system you use works for you and that's great. There are a bunch of aiming systems and each is used for whatever is most practiced and comfortable for you the player.
As always, the eyes lead and the body follows. Set the eyes and let the body follow the eyes to the shot line.
As to what aiming system you are using to pocket these balls I have no idea and don't really care (not trying to sound like an a$$). I have my system and it works for me.
In competition I would never shoot that shot (low percentage) I'm playing a safety somewhere. :)

To stay on topic. As you demonstrated, my method for shooting this shot is to have the tip of my cue at the furthest 3:00 position on the QB with the right side of my shaft pointed at the OB left edge. When I shoot I pivot the cue to center QB and shoot. Works for me. I have seen pro's use this very method.

John
 
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Your not the laughing stock of AZB by the way.
What ever aiming system you use works for you and that's great. There are a bunch of aiming systems and each is used for whatever is most practiced and comfortable for you the player.
As always, the eyes lead and the body follows. Set the eyes and let the body follow the eyes to the shot line.
As to what aiming system you are using to pocket these balls I have no idea and don't really care (not trying to sound like an a$$). I have my system and it works for me.
In competition I would never shoot that shot (low percentage) I'm playing a safety somewhere. :) John
I agree with you.
I also agree that no matter what 'system' he's using to line up on that shot with accuracy....he's hitting it pretty darn good.
I further agree that it's a very low percentage shot. But....if that's the money ball, it looks like any safety there would be harder than the shot itself. So I think it's time to just double the concentration and try to knock the thing into the hole.
I'm glad it isn't me faced with shooting it....I'm about a 6-5 favorite to miscue/foul and sell out. :) And if the cue ball is frozen on the rail??...............doom for me.
 
C'mon guys, give it a shot and post a full video of all the shots laid out by Colin.

Brian, how about you. Do one with the "old faithful" feel and intuition method and then one with Poolology. It would be interesting.

Dan White, you've done a number of videos with curtains and CTE so it's old hat to set up the camera. Give it the old college try. You definitely have the stroke going for you, I would assume.

Here are a few videos in that thread done by Joe Tucker with the test. Joe uses his "match the numbers equal & opposite contact point aiming system". Joe is a phenomenal player and great instructor. I would never want to play him for a lot of money, never! He's also a great person all the way around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-prVQMEHgg&feature=PlayList&p=A770848BF74375DD&index=0&playnext=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj98db58bbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S79yXcvWkUw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0CX_So6Ac


Lets go boys, pony up.
 
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C'mon guys, give it a shot and post a full video of all the shots laid out by Colin.

Brian, how about you. Do one with the "old faithful" feel and intuition method and then one with Poolology. It would be interesting.......

Lets go boys, pony up.

I have a big nineball tournament today, and I decided to do this drill/test last night for practice, since I really don't practice enough anymore. My results were similar to playing a round of golf. Great on front 9, not so great on back on. I started with the 8 shots going to the right pocket, 5 shots each. Scored a 34. I used Poolology on each shot. I felt good about the score, so continued to the left pocket, where I rattled quite a bit of shots, scoring a 25. Didn't feel good about that. Fact is, I need to practice. My table has 4-3/8" pockets, and the throat tightens up quickly. So it's tough, especially on those shots where the CB is only about 6" off the end rail.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll repeat the drill and record it. It only took about 35 minutes to shoot all 16 shots 5 times. I may have rushed it as it was was getting pretty late and I was ready for bed.

Very tough drill.

Brian Crist
 
I have a big nineball tournament today, and I decided to do this drill/test last night for practice, since I really don't practice enough anymore. My results were similar to playing a round of golf. Great on front 9, not so great on back on. I started with the 8 shots going to the right pocket, 5 shots each. Scored a 34. I used Poolology on each shot. I felt good about the score, so continued to the left pocket, where I rattled quite a bit of shots, scoring a 25. Didn't feel good about that. Fact is, I need to practice. My table has 4-3/8" pockets, and the throat tightens up quickly. So it's tough, especially on those shots where the CB is only about 6" off the end rail.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll repeat the drill and record it. It only took about 35 minutes to shoot all 16 shots 5 times. I may have rushed it as it was was getting pretty late and I was ready for bed.

Very tough drill.

Brian Crist


Good man, Brian! Play well in the 9-ball tournament. Hint: take your time and don't rush it because it is a very tough test.
 
Good man, Brian! Play well in the 9-ball tournament. Hint: take your time and don't rush it because it is a very tough test.

Thanks. And yes it's tough. 2 or 3 of those shots are the type I try to never leave for myself! When I record it maybe I'll take more time.
 
Absolutely. When I had a regular practice routine, I wasted no time trying to master super long thin cuts. It's a sucker shot. Have a good day Dennis.

Good luck in your tournament!. I hope you can still concentrate after hanging around hours and hours. At my age, I find I'm toast after about 4 hours but the winning bracket doesn't take place until 8-10 hours after the tournament started. :(
 
LOL! Yep, but you better not be playing somebody like John Brumback because he'd rip that bank in at warp speed before you could blink an eye. It's a gimme for him. (and a lot of players)

No doubt some players can make that bank when the pressure is on but may as well force your opponent to make a great shot to win. I'd rattle it for sure if I tried to cut it from that long distance. Slight undercut with CCB is a scratch. Lose-lose situation.
 
No doubt some players can make that bank when the pressure is on but may as well force your opponent to make a great shot to win. I'd rattle it for sure if I tried to cut it from that long distance. Slight undercut with CCB is a scratch. Lose-lose situation.


When it's the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded with two out, you're down by three with the count 3-2 and a 100+ mph fastball coming straight toward the plate, you gotta swing at it even if you end up like the "Mighty Casey."

But here's a player older than you who has no trouble making a thin cut. And I do mean THIN CUT. Doesn't matter what you'd do in a game or match, this is a shooting skills test. You can either make it or you can't. Scratch doesn't matter for the test. There are 15 more shots after the first one. Set them all up and shoot with video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkqZ-gVmAtI
 
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When it's the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded with two out, you're down by three with the count 3-2 and a 100+ mph fastball coming straight toward the plate, you gotta swing at it even if you end up like the "Mighty Casey."

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I absolutely disagree. There is never a reason to shoot a ball that you've got one in five chance of making and even if you do, there is a great chance of scratching. A very close miss gives your opponent ball in jaws or ball in hand. This is the reason someone should work on their safeties about 1/3 -1/4 of their practice time. Trade a shot you don't like in for one you do.
 
I absolutely disagree. There is never a reason to shoot a ball that you've got one in five chance of making and even if you do, there is a great chance of scratching. A very close miss gives your opponent ball in jaws or ball in hand. This is the reason someone should work on their safeties about 1/3 -1/4 of their practice time. Trade a shot you don't like in for one you do.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree. WHAT PART OF THE FOLLOWING DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

But here's a player older than you who has no trouble making a thin cut. And I do mean THIN CUT. Doesn't matter what you'd do in a game or match,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkqZ-gVmAtI

THIS IS A SHOOTING SKILLS TEST! THIS IS A SHOOTING SKILLS TEST!

You can either make it or you can't. Scratch doesn't matter for the test. There are 15 more shots after the first one. Set them all up and shoot with video.

Don't let fear and ego get in your way. If you just don't want to do it because of fear and ego, I understand. Many haven't and won't. That's OK. Just no more gobbledegook about what happens in a game.
 
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It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree. WHAT PART OF THE FOLLOWING DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

But here's a player older than you who has no trouble making a thin cut. And I do mean THIN CUT. Doesn't matter what you'd do in a game or match,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkqZ-gVmAtI

THIS IS A SHOOTING SKILLS TEST! THIS IS A SHOOTING SKILLS TEST!

You can either make it or you can't. Scratch doesn't matter for the test. There are 15 more shots after the first one. Set them all up and shoot with video.

Don't let fear and ego get in your way. If you just don't want to do it because of fear and ego, I understand. Many haven't and won't. That's OK. Just no more gobbledegook about what happens in a game.

I will not spend my time shooting shots I would never shoot. (period) My time is much better spent performing the stop shot + 6" at all speeds from all distances. Let's see you do that? That is the control needed for shape coming off the tangent.
 
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