You just said the "T" word. Now this thread will get interesting!!!!:thumbup:
Turning Stone - rip off
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You just said the "T" word. Now this thread will get interesting!!!!:thumbup:
WTF does DT have to do with this thread? Talk about pouring gas on a bonfire.
I know many people around my speed or worse that play in this event all the time. I'm also friends with many top players from all over who ask, because I live somewhat close. Some of them don't care about the policy. Others do. Some have backed out (for very good reasons). Yes, I cannot win. My first post was very clear.. I stated two reasons I would never play. One of them was because I can't win. The same could be said for all but one person who's posted in this thread. I've played in other events I cannot win too... because it was fun though. Maybe you don't know me as well as you think?
The bar for ethics in pool is just low I guess. I expect better of myself and others. I guess that's just not the case with pool. Just saying, my Fargo rating isn't much but my ethics rating is on par with my credit.
I didn't see in the definition the part about standing up for what's right and against what's wrong...
Maybe Mike is just spreading fake news lol
I am not marking dollars -- what you fail to understand is the job of a tournament director. One of their many tasks is to collect entry fees that make up the prize pool. It is not his right to pocket any of those entry fees for his own personal gain. If he wants to list a green fee/administration fee or whatever other name say Mark Griffin or anyone else comes up with, then so be it. THose fees are his money and as a player you are agreeing that those fees won't be going into the prize pool. Beyond that, if a TD takes money out of the prize pool for himself - guess what, it is stealing. He simply has no rights to it.
I've seen plenty of tours take part of the entry fee for themselves and until they were outted, they kept doing it. It wasn't til someone added up the payouts and figured out there was a lot of missing money. Once outted, you will see these tours or tournament properly advertise $60 entry fee, $15 green fee. But again, the entire $60 is not and never the tournament's money to do with as they desire.
The prize pool is not an expense. To state that is utterly ridiculious and one of the reasons pool is in the state it is in.
The tour has been going on for 20 years and has a whopping 23 reviews. LMAO not really a point you want to make to justify it's grandeur :scratchhead:
(note - My tour has been in existence 6 1/2 years and has 74 reviews - 73 of them 5 star, 1 of them 3 star) :wave3:
What tour are you referring to? You say its outside of pool. Cards? What?
He does video golf
There's a tour for that? Golden Tee? Didn't know that existed. Cool game.
Cleary, you're a little off. IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY A GONNA buy a house you will give them " earnest money " . That is a deposit, and it means you intend to buy the property. IF FOR ANY REASON YOU DO NOT BUY, then that " earnest money is gone. Don you know hownthisnworks, have you been thru this? Doesn't matter if you 3rd cuz is having a baby while your mom is being sicken up into a spaceship while your dad Is growing a third arm . Doesn't matter. You enter into a contract and you give money as required and that is it. Period. Can't see how anyone can't understand this, nor how anyone can't accept this. This is simple grown up stuff , period.
I personally call BS! I say no decision makers ever offered that. Not that I know everybody, I do know " enough decision makers " to find out if that ever happened and once again I call BS!
The bold means absolutely nothing.
I've never played in a Joss event. While I've been to a few (including one event at Turning Stone), it's something I'm looking forward to entering down the road when my schedule permits me to do so. And I want to test my mettle against the higher echelon players in a tournament setting.
Eventually I'll sign up and give MZ my $150 or $200, or whatever the amount is (I'll call it $150 for the remainder of my post), to save my seat, with the understanding that, if I have to back out (the reason is irrelevant), then I forfeit my entry fee.
I get that, and when I hand over my money, I agree to those terms. I have no business expecting that my entry fee comes back to me if I do have to back out.
Where I would question is where that money goes. I've got no problem accepting the 'no refund' terms, I agreed to them when I handed over my money. On the same note, I would also expect that money to go toward the tournament itself, and not for any sort of administrative costs and/or overhead.
On that same note, why does that X amount of money (my $150) go to 'the Diamond people' or whoever else has been mentioned in this thread ? Any sort of costs (or donations by Diamond and others) are already factored in. Meaning that, in this case, Diamond has no expectation of getting compensation of any form.
Maybe a more direct question, why doesn't that forfeited money go back to the players and/or prize fund ?
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We have over $5k added an event. $12k+ added free roll at the end of each year and average about 80 contestants played in each event, about 100 average total show up for the weekend to participate in some aspect. Guys hug each other when they lose. In pool they won't even shake hands half the time. There is no b.s. In over 40 events I have done with some extremely drunk guys, knock on wood, not one fight. And the host locations make more money in one event than all the locations combined make during MZ tour a year (not counting the casino events).
Can't believe your cop ass can't just say " an agreement , a contract, is binding and that is that".
Sounds good but be careful you don't break an arm patting yourself on the back. Just kiddin'. Sounds like a good tour.
I messaged MZ on FB and he replied pretty quickly. He said EVERY person entering is told of the no refund/no transfer policy. I have no reason not to take him at his word. Clearly there is no "shadiness" taking place. Don't like it, don't enter.
Ya that's true still doesn't explain where that money goes when he lets another player in on the vacant spot ,, He runs a good a good show with a iron fist as he see's fit because he has no competition he can power trip as he sees fit and make no mistake about it he's a power tripper Iv heard it for yrs
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Can you respond to this or do you not know the answer?
Don't play. Its that easy. Tour's been going since '97 and next season is all lined-up. Must be doing something right. Look, MZ was a player long before he started this tour. He knows exactly who he's dealing with: pool players. The czar-like iron fist is in many ways the best way to run it. Look at tours that have failed in the past. Players can't agree on anything.