Is Shane's run the last of a USA player in the Open

[one stroke]

IMHO, US Open became "true world event" from 2015. There are few "true world events"- World 9 Ball is the longest true world event, then China Open (which is relatively new less around 10 years old) and maybe All Japan (which is oldest tourney but recently much less prestigious because of big drop in prizemoney and fewer competitors from Europe. It is also the biggest annual 10 Ball tourney for past few years). If you look at all these non US tourneys none has had consecutive winners for past 5 years. The World 9 ball is best example. Since its first event in early 1990s when Earl won consecutive 2 titles, no one has won 2 consecutive titles. The closest was Alex in early 2000s when he lost in final and then won following year. Recent years, closest is Shane who was finalists in last 2 years. To get into 2 consecutive finals is already a big feat, don't even mention 2 consecutive titles or 3peats.
Reality is pool is not like tennis where every major you see the same old 4 faces if not Joker it is Nadal or Federer or Murray. In past few years, the competition in pool is so many times tougher than before. And it is going to get tougher. Just look at the young talent out of Europe alone which is just scary -Filler, Kaci, Gorst and a bunch of Polish and many names we never heard of

Thank's for clearing the up for me ,

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[Cornerman]

You statement was 3 my statement is the field ,

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Basically, you said I could get action. I'm already in action and have been. And I've won, and I have proof. I bet on Shane. I won. Ill bet on him in the future, and I'll win.

Don't talk about action when that's not your attention. You didn't bet, you won't bet. I did.

Sad thing is that most of us Americans really enjoy watching non-Americans. You're making something sweet into something sour unnecessarily.

 

[one stroke]

Oooooo... That's clever! Making fun of my screen name like I'm a special needs short bus rider... Even though that was my intention with the name.. Kinda like you telling the same joke that someone just told..

And, oh myyyyy.... You're saying that no new American player will win the U.S. Open 5-6 times in the next 10 years... Gee.. You're really going out on a limb there, aren't yah, Einstein?

You're just not a very intelligent person, are you? :grin-square::grin-square::grin-square:

I'll humor you, though, with a bit of back and forth.

Everyone knows that pool in America is a game falling in popularity, for many reasons, the biggest one being that pool halls just aren't a viable business anymore in major metropolitan areas. Without pool halls, we can't very well hold tournaments, and people can't play very much.

That being said, I can very clearly see you have a hardon for hating on American pool players, and you are trying to make the point that we are has-beens or something. Yet, even though the best American pool player can win pretty much more than anyone else in the world, and barely break the salary of a decent IT job.

It is a simple matter of economics. In China, a successful superpro gets a stipend from the government, as they are basically a propaganda tool for the Chinese government. Plus, the cost of living is a LOT cheaper for the Chinese than for an American player, so a Chinese player can do well by winning $40,000-$50,000 a year.

So, I for one, and extremely proud of Shane Van Boening's ability to stay in the top 10 in the world with ZERO support for pool in his home country. Shane's circumstances are very reminiscent of the great chess champion Bobby Fischer. Chess had no support whatsoever in American before Bobby came along.

Bobby Fischer and Shane Van Boening are two exceptional personalities who dominate(d) in their field despite basically no popularity for their chosen profession in their home country.

So, go ahead, troll away. All your negative BS isn't gonna change the fact that despite there being 1/4 the number of pool halls in America that there were 20 years ago, Shane is still out there lopping off heads. Even if he never wins another U.S. Open, he still won more than any of your Asian/European "champions" ever will.

Short Bus Russ

Well your catching on quick , the sub plot is as you have pointed out , people beg for a pro tour I've said be carful of what you wish for because our pro players won't be winning much for reasons you have outlined and I don't see any American capable of a Shane run or any capable of multiple wins in WPA events , however you got a couple Euro and Asian players primed for a few ,,

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[one stroke]

Basically, you said I could get action. I'm already in action and have been. And I've won, and I have proof. I bet on Shane. I won. Ill bet on him in the future, and I'll win.

Don't talk about action when that's not your attention. You didn't bet, you won't bet. I did.

Sad thing is that most of us Americans really enjoy watching non-Americans. You're making something sweet into something sour unnecessarily.

You said he will win 3 more , I'll bet he does not !

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[one stroke]

If tournaments here started paying big money, the US talent would grow as well. I promise you there are people out there who have untapped potential that don’t pursue being more than an A/shortstop player due to needing a real job to live.

I agree it would grow but we are yrs behind the 8 ball as it stands now and we still have the big sports draining the talent pool


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[Cuebuddy]

Well your catching on quick , the sub plot is as you have pointed out , people beg for a pro tour I've said be carful of what you wish for because our pro players won't be winning much for reasons you have outlined and I don't see any American capable of a Shane run or any capable of multiple wins in WPA events , however you got a couple Euro and Asian players primed for a few ,,

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1 Why you want to lock horns with the big dogs? These guys are in the know. Our passion is very fickle and the game will make you eat crow.... not tasty!

 

[ShortBusRuss]

and I don't see any American capable of a Shane run or any capable of multiple wins in WPA events , however you got a couple Euro and Asian players primed for a few ,,

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Really? Well then, by all means, point them out.

Mika and Darren don't seem to be able to keep their playing speed up to par to be able to get another U.S. Open anytime soon.

I am looking at the Asian players still left in the U.S. Open.. Sorry, I don't see any of them coming with another 2-3 U.S. Opens.

Shane practices his break for hours a day every day for months at a time as soon as he finds out the break format foir each tournament, with the SOLE goal of winning the specific tournament he is preparing for.

Sorry, I don't see that single-minded drive in anyone else in the world right now.

American pool may be falling by the wayside, but that in no way minimizes the fact that Shane is a once in a generation talent, and he's American. If you think any particular Asian or European has a chance at even three U.S. Opens in the next 20 years, by all means let us know whom you think has the stones...

Orcullo? Never won it, prolly never will.

Efren? As talented as he is, only won it once.

Bustamente? Never won it...

I am watching Ko Pin Yi play now on stream. Not a prayer that he will even win 3 U.S. Opens in his lifetime. As it is, the Ko brothers have been pretty lucky against Shane at the World championsips

In the age of the "rise of the Chinese champions" since, say, 2010... One Asian champion, and Shane has won it 4 times.

So, just because you SAY it's true, don't make it so.

And if another American doesn't dominate, so what? Do you expect American players to be basically destitute in pusuit of pool excellence? Shane has to outperform Chinese players at a 3-1 rate to have a similar lifestyle, due to the difference between costs of living in the two different countries.

I don't see why any young talented American players would willingly sign up for trying to play a game where they have to be the number player in the world and win twice as much as #2 in order to pull down what you average familiy practioner doctor pulls down.

Short Bus Russ

 

[one stroke]

1 Why you want to lock horns with the big dogs? These guys are in the know. Our passion is very fickle and the game will make you eat crow.... not tasty!

The big dogs , and just who are they ,


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[pocket]

The hypothesis is a bit melodramatic.

 

[Cuebuddy]

The big dogs , and just who are they ,


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Look around, you are dueling with them now. Myself not included

 

[one stroke]

Really? Well then, by all means, point them out.

Mika and Darren don't seem to be able to keep their playing speed up to par to be able to get another U.S. Open anytime soon.

I am looking at the Asian players still left in the U.S. Open.. Sorry, I don't see any of them coming with another 2-3 U.S. Opens.

Shane practices his break for hours a day every day for months at a time as soon as he finds out the break format foir each tournament, with the SOLE goal of winning the specific tournament he is preparing for.

Sorry, I don't see that single-minded drive in anyone else in the world right now.

American pool may be falling by the wayside, but that in no way minimizes the fact that Shane is a once in a generation talent, and he's American. If you think any particular Asian or European has a chance at even three U.S. Opens in the next 20 years, by all means let us know whom you think has the stones...

Orcullo? Never won it, prolly never will.

Efren? As talented as he is, only won it once.

Bustamente? Never won it...

I am watching Ko Pin Yi play now on stream. Not a prayer that he will even win 3 U.S. Opens in his lifetime. As it is, the Ko brothers have been pretty lucky against Shane at the World championsips

In the age of the "rise of the Chinese champions" since, say, 2010... One Asian champion, and Shane has won it 4 times.

So, just because you SAY it's true, don't make it so.

And if another American doesn't dominate, so what? Do you expect American players to be basically destitute in pusuit of pool excellence? Shane has to outperform Chinese players at a 3-1 rate to have a similar lifestyle, due to the difference between costs of living in the two different countries.

I don't see why any young talented American players would willingly sign up for trying to play a game where they have to be the number player in the world and win twice as much as #2 in order to pull down what you average familiy practioner doctor pulls down.

Short Bus Russ

Slow that bus down , I realize what we are up against that's the point of the thread , ain't dising Shane Earl or any other American player of thier great accomplishments in thier times ,, and your right on several points however there are reasons why we are going to fall farther behind in the pool world you have also outlined them that's the point

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[ShortBusRuss]

Slow that bus down , I realize what we are up against that's the point of the thread , ain't dising Shane Earl or any other American player of thier great accomplishments in thier times ,, and your right on several points however there are reasons why we are going to fall farther behind in the pool world you have also outlined them that's the point

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Well, here's a clue, bruh...

American's know the game is falling in popularity and young people aren't playing it in large enough numbers. And there is always some European crowing about how much better they are at the game than we are...

Nobody needs to be constantly reminded that we are slowly losing our place in the pool world, because of economics, video games and Facebook.

Don't expect to be welcomed with open arms when you are bringing up such a negative topic that everyone is more than familiar with. We are just happy to support the one dude still holding it down for America. How about we concentrate on celbrating the superstar we have, rather than dwelling on how soon our dominance is coming to an end.

You're being a bit of an asshole reminding everyone what a poor state pool is in America, and I think you know it.

Short Bus Russ

 

[sjm]

I expect some American will come along and win five US Opens, but it won't happen real soon. Give it fifteen years.

 

[PhilosopherKing]

I get it... You got a hard on now because no American made the final 8, and all of a sudden, Shane's an old man and can't make a ball. After having won it last year, of course. And no one in the field except Earl coming anywhere close to his consistency over a number of years.

Just curious... Were you watching this event fapping to the thought of Shane going out in two?

(Don't feed the troll, people..)

Short Bus Russ

corey finished 7th/8th

 

[sammylane12]

When did Turning Stone stop being a major tournament?

It never was.

 

[Cornerman]

You said he will win 3 more , I'll bet he does not !

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You're bad action, since you have no idea what you're doing. I got 6;1 on Shane this year alone. Same as last year. To win three more, what odds are you laying?

You're bad action anyway, but what odds are you laying? Do you have a single clue ? How do you payoff a lifetime bet? Clueless newby.

Yeah, I said it twice. Don't talk action when you're not talking action.

 

[RiverCity]

You're bad action, since you have no idea what you're doing. I got 6;1 on Shane this year alone. Same as last year. To win three more, what odds are you laying?

You're bad action anyway, but what odds are you laying? Do you have a single clue ? How do you payoff a lifetime bet? Clueless newby.

Yeah, I said it twice. Don't talk action when you're not talking action.

 

[JAM]

This year's open has a lot of color to it, and I'm enjoying the coverage, all the way from AzBilliards to U.S. Open FB page.

My other half, who knows more about pool than me, said he thought this year's field at the Open was the toughest he's ever seen at the Open. That speaks volumes!

Don't rule Shane out, though. Shane can't win every time. Sheesh! Just because he didn't come out on top this year doesn't mean he's washed up. He's still the upper echelon when it comes to American pool. And Sky and Billy and Justin Bergman deserve recognition too.

And how about that Corey Deuel!? Man, that warms my heart to see him play so well this year. Bravo to all of 'em, I say.