Would you call this great condition?

Snooker Theory said:
hmmm. You know, if OP has done this type of thing in the past, I think that gives a lot of credibility to the view he is a "scammer", and if that is true(cause you said some crazy other stuff in this thread), I would be inclined to believe you.

Bill, I believed said he noticed something odd in the pictures before hand but thought it was the lighting, sorry I am paraphrasing(maybe someone else?) But if he saw something odd before hand, but then still bid on it without asking, thinking he could get some extra cash, by trapping him so to speak/ that is shady.
Have no idea if that was the case.
When I am selling or doing a job I try and not leave myself wide open, which is what Greg did here.
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Yep,you are 100% correct.And yes,I did go overboard a little too.This kind of buyer gives me a lot of concern.Actually scares me as an eBay seller.I sold a guy a BNIB smoke detector.When he got it he complained that there was a small stain on the outer box.I said to him,"Aren't you going to just throw the outer box away and mount the detector?" His reply was great.
"I was going to give it to my brother as a birthday gift." Sound familliar?
Some sellers do not even write a description now.They simply say,"The pics are the description" or look at the pics for the description.That's how bad it has gotten for eBay sellers.
Also,I would have listed the cue as,very good,see pics.
 
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bowiebill said:
It was not magnified, and look through this thread, I added additional pics.
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OK, I went through the thread, every page, admittedly quickly so I may have missed
something that you've posted and all see are photos of the same portion of the cue, I will go through it again.

Alright this is a perfect example of descriptions being subjective - bill, you don't think that
the photos that you've posted are maybe "a little" magnified? I dare you to hold that cue
up to post #1. I'm looking at this thread on a desk top computer, 20" monitor, now, maybe
it's just me, but that photo looks bigger than the actual cue.

As well, you have indeed posted other photos ....... of the same portion of the cue. I don't
find any of the whole cue. I saw a Runde, and another one, maybe a Palmer? but none
of a Phillippi. I do see where you've said the forearm needs refinished too, and the
wrap need redone, but no photos of either of those. Oh, and a dent(?) on the opposite
side of the cue from the flaw you've highlighted.

Let's see the whole cue.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
If the cue was returned the seller is credited the seller fee's. And it appears from most everyone here that this cue plays lights out and is worth a TON more money. So, why would it not sell for more. The OP practically "stole" this cue according to most of the posters.
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THANKS for the info with regards to the sellers fees being credited on item that have been returned.

i could say something like pricing a cue, especially a used cue, is much more difficult than pricing chalk, but i won't:thumbup:
 
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Celophanewrap said:
OK, I went through the thread, every page, admittedly quickly so I may have missed
something that you've posted and all see are photos of the same portion of the cue, I will go through it again.



Let's see the whole cue.
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Just go look at the original Ebay listing. The butt sleeve is pictured. Nothing hidden at all.


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Celophanewrap said:
OK, I went through the thread, every page, admittedly quickly so I may have missed
something that you've posted and all see are photos of the same portion of the cue, I will go through it again.

Alright this is a perfect example of descriptions being subjective - bill, you don't think that
the photos that you've posted are maybe "a little" magnified? I dare you to hold that cue
up to post #1. I'm looking at this thread on a desk top computer, 20" monitor, now, maybe
it's just me, but that photo looks bigger than the actual cue.

As well, you have indeed posted other photos ....... of the same portion of the cue. I don't
find any of the whole cue. I saw a Runde, and another one, maybe a Palmer? but none
of a Phillippi. I do see where you've said the forearm needs refinished too, and the
wrap need redone, but no photos of either of those. Oh, and a dent(?) on the opposite
side of the cue from the flaw you've highlighted.

Let's see the whole cue.
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Sure. I’ll post pics tonight. I would suggest also looking at how selectely the sellers pics were for the auction. He had no problem zooming in to show Phillippis small signature, but zoomed out for the butt pics.
 
Ched said:
Ginger or Maryann?
Genie or Samantha?

Seriously though - wow! What a thread eh?
While ChicagoRJ does make some really great points in his posts - I'm still going to fall in favor of the seller here. Primarily because the seller offered /FULL/ refund including shipping costs, which means the buyer was offered a complete "do over" - which doesn't happen often in life.
Secondly - with as much positive feedback as the seller has earned, it tells me that he's worked very hard to always do the right thing - and I think it's a pretty crappy deal to try to smear a good name. Words like "cheat", and "lie" carry negative connotations, and even after being made aware of all so much in 20 some pages - we're still seeing those kind of words being tossed around.

With that said - I'd think the value of this cue has increased in value now. I mean so many folks and so many electrons passing through the internet HAS to be worth something. :-)

One other point though. As the end consumer (the son) has accepted the cue "as is", it's really the middle man (father) that's unhappy at this point. I do understand that you'd want to provide a loved one with something "perfect" - but then again - you were buying something USED - not a NEW cue. You could have ordered a new cue from the maker - but you wouldn't have "saved those pennies". So again - I'm going to side with the seller.

<-- *passes the 'talking stick' to the right*
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"There is iron in your words, for all Comanche to see..."
 
I just wanted to post on this thread. Personal opinion on buying cues, if you are unhappy for any reason, then return it. If the seller won't let you return it, then they are people I won't deal with. However, like in this case, if I can return it without any issue, then I don't get wound up if I don't like a cue.

I know enough about Greg to know he wouldn't intentionally make up a bad description, it isn't worth the headache to do that over a few dollars. He's been selling cues for a really long time, back before there was much of a internet.
 
JC said:
The guy has 1000s of positive feedbacks on Ebay with zero negative. I'm sure the OP believes he is doing a public service as you say but the fact pattern simply is not consistent with this.
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The public service is he has brought out all the nits. I love it when nits out themselves. Nit tilly nit nit,,,, nit nit.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Oh, def Maryanne over Ginger, but Genie wins hands down over all shows in that era, with the possible exception of the lovely Mrs. Laura Petrie from Dick Van Dyke. Now, if Genie has a scar on her left thigh, I'm not returning her, I will admit that ;)
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Yea RJ. Genie hands down, I bet Matt Lauer would be all in.. So to speak....
 
bowiebill said:
Sure. I’ll post pics tonight. I would suggest also looking at how selectely the sellers pics were for the auction. He had no problem zooming in to show Phillippis small signature, but zoomed out for the butt pics.
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I see you’ve posted more pics......
and the conversation you offered to show where he comes off as a liar (or something...).

I believe it was said in an earlier post, something like great does not mean perfect, or
pristine, or immaculate, and also another post noted that you purchased a used cue, if
you wanted something perfect or pristine you should have ordered a new cue from a
cue maker instead of trying to save a few bucks.

I know you’ll say you have, but I wonder if you’ve really thought this through.
You failed to ask any questions, you didn’t ask for any other photos, you didn’t open
the package by yourself first to examine the cue, and you’re trying to put this all back
on the seller because his opinion is different than yours.

I’d say you’re more than a little responsible. I know it can be embarrassing to be wrong,
but have you realized that you’re the only one that’s not happy with the deal. Let it go.
 
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Great is a subjective term.

I think my Great Grandma is indeed great, her first 5 husbands probably disagree. I do not see anything special about the Great Lakes. I think a Great Dane is just ok. :shrug:
 
gregcantrall said:
I think my Great Grandma is indeed great, her first 5 husbands probably disagree. I do not see anything special about the Great Lakes. I think a Great Dane is just ok. :shrug:
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... and of course some people just grate,

as for Grandma I'm sure she's a very nice lady, what can you say, some folks collect stamps.....
 
Slim Limpy said:
beneath_the_sur,

I've myself been involved in a few Justinb386 threads in my lifetime, and let me tell you, no matter how much you try and emulate our hero Justinb386 by aggrandizing, extrapolating, exaggerating, augmenting and glorifying the value of this thread, you, sir, beneath_the_sur, are no Justinb386.
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And JustinB is no John Kennedy
 
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