Is that your reply on my post or on the post of the member "trob"?
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Is that your reply on my post or on the post of the member "trob"?
Hi fellows,
just wondering--
I m pretty sure, that everyone remembers for sure a few matches, where for very first a team mate has taken a high five.
I get maybe everyone s point-- but i also think everyone saw clearly, how big the pressure was on the kid (in my opinion Joshi is still a kid- he s very young)-- and after he won, he just let his emotions out loud- that s it.
Dennis was frustrated - very sure- understandable.
but from a 46 old guy i can expect also something like being a bit more *cooled down*.
To put Joshua s *so baaad thing* to first give his team mate a high five*-- in such a drama position.
Sorry- but laughable.
Dennis should have give it a short laugh-- and tell the kids afterwards what he would have expected......then also joshi would have learnt sth in this direction.
Dennis lives from his emotions- and that s the reason, i would have expected from Dennis a bit different behaviour. ( and i REALLY like Dennis- a great player and guy).
All want emotions? Because of that something like this happens!
just wondering--
I m pretty sure, that everyone remembers for sure a few matches, where for very first a team mate has taken a high five.
I get maybe everyone s point-- but i also think everyone saw clearly, how big the pressure was on the kid (in my opinion Joshi is still a kid- he s very young)-- and after he won, he just let his emotions out loud- that s it.
Dennis was frustrated - very sure- understandable.
but from a 46 old guy i can expect also something like being a bit more *cooled down*.
To put Joshua s *so baaad thing* to first give his team mate a high five*-- in such a drama position.
Sorry- but laughable.
Dennis should have give it a short laugh-- and tell the kids afterwards what he would have expected......then also joshi would have learnt sth in this direction.
Dennis lives from his emotions- and that s the reason, i would have expected from Dennis a bit different behaviour. ( and i REALLY like Dennis- a great player and guy).
All want emotions? Because of that something like this happens!
I have watched several MCs in person and played my fair share of tournaments and watching Filler sit in the chair and swig water before administering the coupe de grace crossed a line for me.
Keep in mind that all Hatch did was to turn and refuse to shake his hand. IMO he was signalling that Filler’s poor sportsmanship didn’t deserve a handshake, which is what the handshake at the end of a match is all about.
At that point in the proceedings, it had nothing to do with nerves, he was just being a, well, you know... Just how I saw it play out.
Lou Figueroa
perhaps Filler's countryman, Ralf Souquet, arguably the best sportsman ever to play in our sport, will rub off a little on him.
meanwhile, the folks at Matchroom must be smiling.
right or wrong, this kind of drama increases fan interest. :wink:
look at how we're debating it.
best,
brian kc
meanwhile, the folks at Matchroom must be smiling.
right or wrong, this kind of drama increases fan interest. :wink:
look at how we're debating it.
best,
brian kc
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If the other guy does not display good sportsmanship why would you shake hands with him at the end of the match?
Lou Figueroa
Kinda got a point there. Earl could be a royal pia but you had to watch it. Same here i guess.
For a proper example of how it's done.
Because it's the right thing to do.
And...the next time they meet, he'd have had the upper hand before the match even started.
Jeff Livingston
Given you don't believe he was nervous I can see why you'd take that viewpoint...however to counter I'd suggest he probably was incredibly nervous and it was his way of dealing with it, after all:
1) It is his first Mosconi Cup
2) He was playing his first singles match against a former Mosconi Cup MVP twice his age
3) He had just got into a winning position for the rack
4) It was 4-4
If he wasn't feeling nervous then he will go on to be a multi-time World Champion as he clearly deals amazingly well with pressure (possible of course, there are some elite sportsmen that have that ability, but its very unlikely).
I've never seen anyone sit down in the chair like that and it was odd, but I think it was just his way of calming his nerves.
Given he was on the shot clock he wasn't time wasting, so perhaps its just something he does and doesn't see it as odd (and to someone unaware of conventions why would it be rude)?
Isn’t the handshake an acknowledgement that the match was played in a spirit of good sportsmanship? Or are you saying it should just be pro forma, regardless, even in the face of doucherie from the other guy?
If lines are crossed, the gesture is no longer sincere and there is no onus to extend the hand.
Lou Figueroa
And Filler showed NONE after he won. He went to celebrate with his team, before acknowledging his opponent. So, I have ZERO problem with it, in fact, Hatch should have whipered in his ear, "next time you wanna disrespect me in a match, I'm talking your head clean off"now, I don't want Dennis to pounce on him, but let that be in his head a little, because with his background, Killer won't know if he's bluffing or not ?
Well answered on page one.
The rest I didn't read. tyvm :yeah:
It has nothing to do with being a professional...It has to do with the character of a person...You don't have to shake hands because your a professional, but because you have character and show it...
I play in a BCA league..I am not a professional..There are several jerks in the league, but I always shake their hand. How does not shaking their hand prove anything?
In MMA the winning fighter or losing fighter always hug and show respect...Thats character.....Seems to be lacking with Dennis...
I play in a BCA league..I am not a professional..There are several jerks in the league, but I always shake their hand. How does not shaking their hand prove anything?
In MMA the winning fighter or losing fighter always hug and show respect...Thats character.....Seems to be lacking with Dennis...
Respectfully, Filler has already earned a bit of a rep for this kind of behavior at other events.
I take your points but if you view what he did in the context of his general behavior and demeanor, it was just an extreme instance of him behaving poorly.
Lou Figueroa
So you don't show bad sportsmanship. To be the better man. So you don't look like a whiny sore loser. Need any more?
The sincerity is a value each player judges for himself.
Next time, Dennis will be at a disadvantage and so will team usa!
He now says on f/b that he'll apologize, so that means what? He's on the losing side of the argument, that's what. That loss (not the apology) will harm his chances and the team's.
It wasn't about him so much as it is about the team (something Europe apparently understands better than the US players) and the game. Both took a hit yesterday, imho.
But all of this IS good for ratings, so maybe the game got a boost from this?
I can hardly wait for round 2 today.
Jeff Livingston
To me it’s like leaving your standard tip when you actually got crappy service at a restaurant.
A handshake means something... or should.
Lou Figueroa