Rasson Table Setup at Mosconi Cup

ChrisinNC

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Regarding the Kasson table being used at the Mosconi Cup. Has anyone else noticed when they show the overhead camera view of the table (I assume from the dead center of the table) the slate radius drop-offs curves in the corner pockets are not squared up? In particular, the top right corner is clearly not squared up correctly with the rail system - which means all 4 corners must be off to some degree.

In match 4 - the doubles match between SVB/Dominguez and Shaw/Alcaide, Alcaide choked on an 8-ball shot after carelessly leaving himself much harder than he should have on it, The OB ended up on end rail, a few inches off the rail, near the center diamond, with the CB about 4-5 feet away, a tough cut shot but one that SVB would make nearly 90% of the time. He undercut it just slightly, the ball did hit the end rail on its way to the pocket before jarring in the pocket, hanging on the edge, and not falling. That was the very pocket that was not properly squared up. That ended up being a crucial miss as Alcaide finished off the game, and the Europeans held on to win that match. I'm not saying that ball would have necessarily fallen, as the shot was slightly undercut, but it possibly could have if the table had been set up the way it should have been.

I'm sorry, but I see no excuse for that error by the table mechanic who set up that table. It takes less than 5 minutes to make sure the rail system and all the corners are perfectly squared up with the slate drop offs curves before torquing the rails bolts tight. It's something we would never miss doing in here on our pool tables whenever we recover the cloth. Does anyone else think this is unacceptable for a tournament of this magnitude, when you only have to set up one single table perfectly? Yes, there is a slight chance the angle of the overhead camera may possibly be off centered making this look worse than it is, but it is clearly off to some degree.
 
Regarding the Kasson table being used at the Mosconi Cup. Has anyone else noticed when they show the overhead camera view of the table (I assume from the dead center of the table) the slate radius drop-offs curves in the corner pockets are not squared up? In particular, the top right corner is clearly not squared up correctly with the rail system - which means all 4 corners must be off to some degree.

In match 4 - the doubles match between SVB/Dominguez and Shaw/Alcaide, Alcaide choked on an 8-ball shot after carelessly leaving himself much harder than he should have on it, The OB ended up on end rail, a few inches off the rail, near the center diamond, with the CB about 4-5 feet away, a tough cut shot but one that SVB would make nearly 90% of the time. He undercut it just slightly, the ball did hit the end rail on its way to the pocket before jarring in the pocket, hanging on the edge, and not falling. That was the very pocket that was not properly squared up. That ended up being a crucial miss as Alcaide finished off the game, and the Europeans held on to win that match. I'm not saying that ball would have necessarily fallen, as the shot was slightly undercut, but it possibly could have if the table had been set up the way it should have been.

I'm sorry, but I see no excuse for that error by the table mechanic who set up that table. It takes less than 5 minutes to make sure the rail system and all the corners are perfectly squared up with the slate drop offs curves before torquing the rails bolts tight. It's something we would never miss doing in here on our pool tables whenever we recover the cloth. Does anyone else think this is unacceptable for a tournament of this magnitude, when you only have to set up one single table perfectly? Yes, there is a slight chance the angle of the overhead camera may possibly be off centered making this look worse than it is, but it is clearly off to some degree.


I don’t know about the table setup but IMO a couple of shots jarred that appeared to be hit cleanly and should have dropped.

Lou Figueroa
 
I thought the table appeared to be rolling off a little bit too. Noticed it during several lags and the shot Dennis almost scratched in the side on.
 
I don’t know about the table setup but IMO a couple of shots jarred that appeared to be hit cleanly and should have dropped.

Lou Figueroa
The announcers stated they were "tight pockets" 4-1/4 corners" which is 1/4" tighter than Diamond Tour specs the pros usually play on. From the overhead camera angle of the table, these did indeed appear to be 4-1/4" corner pockets. However, we all know that newly installed Simonis makes pockets play at least 1/4" bigger, particularly on easier paced shots, in which the pockets will play more forgivingly than a harder paced shot.

At one point in match 4, Van den berg missed an unbelieveably easy 5-ball corner pocket shot in his doubles match with Souquet, when he was apparently trying to cheat the pocket just a hair on a short nearly straight in shot, trying to slide the cue ball a little closer to the 6-ball. Souquet did a nice job of consoling his teammate after Van den berg had a rather astonished look on his face when he returned to his chair.
 
I definitely noticed that.
Not only with team Euro,
but USA had a few rattle out that looked like
they should've just dropped right in!
 
that table was off, no doubt. they should be able to take the time to get it perfect. it's one table for the biggest event of the year.
 
I actually thought the table played well, I was watching for some odd things since some tables that are not Diamond or Brunswick have some quirks. I did not see anything strange with this table, aside from the tighter pockets, which is not really strange just cause other things to happen.

One shot in particular was hit along the rail slowly and it went straight without being sucked into our out from the rail like some tables do. I was impressed with that.
 
I don’t know about the table setup but IMO a couple of shots jarred that appeared to be hit cleanly and should have dropped.

Lou Figueroa

I saw way more that should have rattled but didn't than the otherwise. New cloth saves ass' on shots hit too hard and off the mark.

JC
 
Why the change from Diamond (the best) ???

I smell collusion !!! :yeah:

Gonna go out on a limb and surmise it's more than " I'll supply a table, bring it, and set it up " by the manifacturer. It's whoever pays the most cheer to have their table used and unfortunately isn't Rasson a chin c omp manufacturer ? That most likely
To means they have unlimited funds to do as they please and Diamond couldn't compete and obviously Brunswick just doesn't care.
 
that table was off, no doubt. they should be able to take the time to get it perfect. it's one table for the biggest event of the year.
I can only imagine what Ernesto Dominguez (widely regarded as the best pool table mechanic in the world) who was sitting in the second row just behind the US team, was thinking regarding the way the table was set up? I am quite sure Ernesto did not set up this table.
 
Rasson probably spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in CNC equipment to make these tables .
IF the balls are rattling in the corners, then the corner pockets' opening angle are off or inconsistent. Or maybe the down angle.
The difference between 141* and 143* in playability is huge.
They really should sped it a 140* at the factory so they have +-1* to play with.
 
I can only imagine what Ernesto Dominguez (widely regarded as the best pool table mechanic in the world) who was sitting in the second row just behind the US team, was thinking regarding the way the table was set up? I am quite sure Ernesto did not set up this table.

Even if Ernesto did, he wouldn't be allowed to correct the pocket opening, I think.
 
Even if Ernesto did, he wouldn't be allowed to correct the pocket opening, I think.
I was not referring to the corner pocket angles from the mouth to the throat, I was referring to the fact that the rail system was not properly squared up with the slate dropoff curvatures to make sure they were in perfect alignment before they tightened the rail bolts.
 
I don’t know about the table setup but IMO a couple of shots jarred that appeared to be hit cleanly and should have dropped.

Lou Figueroa

I disagree... That table and previous Mosconi tables including when they were Diamonds notoriously took balls in that shouldn't have went.

The pros should be held to a higher and tougher standard.
 
I disagree... That table and previous Mosconi tables including when they were Diamonds notoriously took balls in that shouldn't have went.

The pros should be held to a higher and tougher standard.


er, OK. I’m just talking about the table I’ve been sitting in front of for like 10 hours the last two days. The left side pockets are jarring balls that should drop. Seeing it with my own two peepers. Disagree all you want.

That is all.

Lou Figueroa
 
I agree the way the table is playing does not look correct. The shelf drop looks like it is simply too deep in relation to the pocket openings.

Way back in 2003 when the Mosconi Cup first came to Vegas I had a chance to chat with the mechanic who'd setup the Brunswick Gold Crown they were using back then. I asked him how tight the pockets were and he just laughed and said "5.25 inches - No one wants to pay to see these guys missing all their shots". I guess standards have changed quite a bit since those days.

It seems that if you have a spare $5.5K in ready money and you really want to know what they did you can buy one of the 3 tables used (Presumably the other two are for each team to practice on) on Craigslist:

https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/sgd/d/pro-9ft-rasson-pool-table/6413347575.html
 
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