Isn't your name Andrew or something like that?
JC
Yea, something like that.
Isn't your name Andrew or something like that?
JC
FargoRate measures performance against other players ability, not a players ability on various games or varying table sizes.
The algorithm is only a probability prediction, albeit an accurate one, but there are many variables that may effect the outcome of any given match.
Tucson’s post is spot on. As he said, when that 550 switches to a big table, he’s not able to keep up with a player of the same rating who normally plays on big tables.
I play on a 9’ table almost 100%. I would feel confident spotting someone (on any table) the same rating as me who only plays on a bar table. Because I know my ability will increase on his table and his will decrease on mine. I would be the fav on any table. But if they’re the same rating as me and play on 9’ tables, I would need to play them even. We would both increase ability on little table and play as normal on a big table.
Tucson’s post is spot on. As he said, when that 550 switches to a big table, he’s not able to keep up with a player of the same rating who normally plays on big tables.
I play on a 9’ table almost 100%. I would feel confident spotting someone (on any table) the same rating as me who only plays on a bar table. Because I know my ability will increase on his table and his will decrease on mine. I would be the fav on any table.
It was when we started reporting our league results to Fargorate and our players became established that I started to understand better what skill set some of the lower numbers refer to. Prior to that all I could do was look at the higher rated players who have a ton of robustness due to the fact that pool is their life.
As far as I can tell you don't have enough games in the system to be able to make that judgement. So what is your fargo rating? That matters because without experience it seems hard for you to have insights based on anything but prejudices.
I do understand that the numbers are based on data of previous results so in that regard they have to be accurate. The 450 players did indeed lose 2 out of three to the 550s. Can't argue that.
JC
You would be making a mistake here. If you play 550 speed and exclusively on a 9-foot table, you are not actually a more skilled player than the 550 who plays exclusively on a bar table. If he jumped on your table, yes he would perform below 550 speed. Tucson suggests 30 points--I don't know that sounds about right. But if you jumped on his table, you also would play below 550 speed, by about the same amount.
In both cases, this is a familiarity issue. Both players are 550-speed, and both underperform on unfamiliar equipment... The underperforming speed--520 for the sake of argument--is not a real skill level. It is soft. If the player played every day for a month against good competition on the unfamiliar equipment, the player would jump up to near 550 speed.
I think his conclusion--what you stated here--is spot on. His analysis not so much.
You would be making a mistake here. If you play 550 speed and exclusively on a 9-foot table, you are not actually a more skilled player than the 550 who plays exclusively on a bar table. If he jumped on your table, yes he would perform below 550 speed. Tucson suggests 30 points--I don't know that sounds about right. But if you jumped on his table, you also would play below 550 speed, by about the same amount.
In both cases, this is a familiarity issue. Both players are 550-speed, and both underperform on unfamiliar equipment... The underperforming speed--520 for the sake of argument--is not a real skill level. It is soft. If the player played every day for a month against good competition on the unfamiliar equipment, the player would jump up to near 550 speed.
I very much disagree. The transition from a 7' to a 9' is much harder than 9' to 7' for a lower skilled player. For a higher skilled player, it's almost the opposite.
A lower skilled player, more often than not will struggle going to a large table because they're not an accurate shooter.
A higher skilled player, more often than not will struggle going to a smaller table because their cueball and speed is harder to control. But if you're a higher skilled player who plays a lot on bar tables, you'll probably play pretty sporty on a big table too because you have the skill and knowledge.
That's fine.. But before you so quickly dismiss my claims, you should take note of a few facts..
--I have a pool room with 41 7-foot tables and 14 9-foot tables where people of all speeds match up all the time
--I have in the last 8 years run 1000 tournaments with over 400 of them on 9-foot tables--collecting data for all
--I have players of a range of speeds who play regularly on both size tables
--I have players of a range of speeds who play almost exclusively on one or the other.
--I have been interested in these issues for a long time
--I use data to answer little questions for myself every day, and my intuition is a reflection of this.
The tournaments I play in don't report to Fargo so my rating is not only inaccurate, it's irrelevant to the conversation. I'm only one person... There's no prejudice at all. While my rating isn't established, a lot of others that I know from around the country are established. I understand how it works.
That's fine.. But before you so quickly dismiss my claims, you should take note of a few facts..
--I have a pool room with 41 7-foot tables and 14 9-foot tables where people of all speeds match up all the time
--I have in the last 8 years run 1000 tournaments with over 400 of them on 9-foot tables--collecting data for all
--I have players of a range of speeds who play regularly on both size tables
--I have players of a range of speeds who play almost exclusively on one or the other.
--I have been interested in these issues for a long time
--I use data to answer little questions for myself every day, and my intuition is a reflection of this.
Ok here is my 2 cents and what i have seen of the fargo rating so far... This is the thing with me. I can only shoot in 2 tournaments a week that report to fargo. One of the tournaments I have to leave early every week so I play a match or two and go. The other tournament I usually win fairly easy. That being said the only reason I go to those tournaments is to have enough points to shoot in the state finals. I am a 529 fargo with only 414 robustness.. Everyone I play says I am grossly underrated. The last match I played was for the hot seat i played a player rated a 560 playing alternate break 9-ball I won the4 match 6-1 He says to someone after the match that I am sandbagging and shouldn't be allowed to play. My question is how do you account for matches forfeited or someone like me who has had to forfeit almost half of his matches?
I didn't know you could raise your own rating or I would have had someone raise it by now. I agree it is not fair for anyone but I did tell them in the beginning that on tuesday nights I can't stay so it's not like im doing this to be a lower rating or anything like that.
I didn't know you could raise your own rating or I would have had someone raise it by now. I agree it is not fair for anyone but I did tell them in the beginning that on tuesday nights I can't stay so it's not like im doing this to be a lower rating or anything like that.
I didn't know you could raise your own rating or I would have had someone raise it by now. I agree it is not fair for anyone but I did tell them in the beginning that on tuesday nights I can't stay so it's not like im doing this to be a lower rating or anything like that.