Female with 790 FargoRate

[Alex Kanapilly]

She's a great player, but I just don't see how she can be called the favorite against someone like Chinahov, who could probably spot her 50 games to 100...There are some seriously bad dudes south of her on the Fargo list.

I'd love to see this and I'd be betting on her. Not saying Chinohov isn't tough but 50 to 100 is a big spot for someone that plays close to 800.

I guess what you're saying is that she's highly overrated and he's highly underrated. Even if she "really" plays like a 750, he would have to "really" be around 850 to have a 50/50 chance of winning with that spot... at least that's how I understand Fargorate to work.

Heck, even if she really does play like a 730 (which I disagree with), he would have to play like 830 speed to beat her with that spot and that would put him past all the top pros out there.

He's not that good and she's not that bad.

Alternate break or winner break?

 

[PhilosopherKing]

I'd love to see this and I'd be betting on her. Not saying Chinohov isn't tough but 50 to 100 is a big spot for someone that plays close to 800.

I guess what you're saying is that she's highly overrated and he's highly underrated. Even if she "really" plays like a 750, he would have to "really" be around 850 to have a 50/50 chance of winning with that spot... at least that's how I understand Fargorate to work.

Heck, even if she really does play like a 730 (which I disagree with), he would have to play like 830 speed to beat her with that spot and that would put him past all the top pros out there.

He's not that good and she's not that bad.

Alternate break or winner break?

Rack your own with a template, winner break, I think Ruslan could give her 50 games and be better than 50/50.

He is that good, but I guess the numbers don't lie.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Rack your own with a template, winner break, I think Ruslan could give her 50 games and be better than 50/50.

He is that good, but I guess the numbers don't lie.

Or you just don't know how to properly handicap matches.

 

[PhilosopherKing]

Or you just don't know how to properly handicap matches.

I'm not trying to properly handicap a match. I'm making a point, but, for the record, I think Ruslan easily wins 2 games to her 1 in the above format... The guy rains packages.

What does she do?

 

[pt109]

100 to 50?

我会赌siming ....
Wǒ huì dǔ siming...

 

[jasonlaus]

I'm not trying to properly handicap a match. I'm making a point, but, for the record, I think Ruslan easily wins 2 games to her 1 in the above format... The guy rains packages.

What does she do?

What does she do? She gets rich betting with guys like you.
Jason

 

[PhilosopherKing]

Is that a fact?

Sounds nice, though.

 

[marek]

Two things will happen. She will finish high occasionally and her Fargo Rating will drop to 720~730. Given enough high level inputs and all the Top Females would come in around there.

I was watching her play in Klagenfurt, from men`s play standpoint she has good position play, decent safety and potting, my assesment of her play fargorate-wise presented by her in Klagenfurt would be around 730-740, definitely nowhere near 790. I can imagine her game being better actually (I would guess 760) given the fact that she was faaaaar from home so jet-lag may have been there, also she may be used to different cloth/rails etc. She is strong player but 790 seems to me little bit far-fetched...

 

[Cardigan Kid]

I was watching her play in Klagenfurt, from men`s play standpoint she has good position play, decent safety and potting, my assesment of her play fargorate-wise presented by her in Klagenfurt would be around 730-740, definitely nowhere near 790. I can imagine her game being better actually (I would guess 760) given the fact that she was faaaaar from home so jet-lag may have been there, also she may be used to different cloth/rails etc. She is strong player but 790 seems to me little bit far-fetched...

Do you know if she gambled at all following the tour?
I would imagine that her backer would be able to get some good action on the Fargo rate numbers, in both getting and giving handicap to the opponent.

 

[marek]

Do you know if she gambled at all following the tour?
I would imagine that her backer would be able to get some good action on the Fargo rate numbers, in both getting and giving handicap to the opponent.

Well Siming Chen was there on the invitation of Jasmin Ouschan who was one of the organizers there, two tournaments were there - "mens" Eurotour (open for both men and women) followed by "womens" Eurotour (only for women aparently - there goes gender equality:thumbup:). And by the time mens Eurotour was finished womens Eurotour has just started. And as Siming Chen was busy killing players in the womens tournament (she won the whole thing by beating Jasmin in the finals) I dont see time slot big enough where she could have gambled. Maybe she had some matches arranged after the tournament with austrian killers (other men players were long gone by the end of womens tournament) but nothing I would know of. And one more thing - Fargorate is not a big thing among European players, majority of them dont even know what Fargo rate is. And from what I know not many European tournaments get into FR system - Eurotour, European championships and couple of the bigger tournaments in Germany but not many I guess. I asked Mike that question in the past but I havent recieved any answer so who knows..

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Well Siming Chen was there on the invitation of Jasmin Ouschan who was one of the organizers there, two tournaments were there - "mens" Eurotour (open for both men and women) followed by "womens" Eurotour (only for women aparently - there goes gender equality:thumbup:). And by the time mens Eurotour was finished womens Eurotour has just started. And as Siming Chen was busy killing players in the womens tournament (she won the whole thing by beating Jasmin in the finals) I dont see time slot big enough where she could have gambled. Maybe she had some matches arranged after the tournament with austrian killers (other men players were long gone by the end of womens tournament) but nothing I would know of. And one more thing - Fargorate is not a big thing among European players, majority of them dont even know what Fargo rate is. And from what I know not many European tournaments get into FR system - Eurotour, European championships and couple of the bigger tournaments in Germany but not many I guess. I asked Mike that question in the past but I havent recieved any answer so who knows..

Thanks for the response...never knew that Jasmine has gotten into the tournament organizer business. That's a new step for her.
Simeng is a powerful player no doubt, I also see she rivals SVB in the money count on the earnings brackets. Her unofficial earnings would certainly be much higher with some side matches. But maybe that's what she does on her home turf.
I remember interviewing the Ko brothers and they said Ga Young Kim would frequently gamble with them straight/no handicap back home. So I'm sure there are matches we never hear about.

 

[marek]

Thanks for the response...never knew that Jasmine has gotten into the tournament organizer business. That's a new step for her.

Well that tournament was organized basically on Jasmins home turf, she runs her pool academy http://www.billiardsportacademy.com/bsa%20tour/index.html in the sports complex where Eurotour took place and she co-organized the whole event along with EPBF. I can definitely say it was pleasant experience, players even got a hospitality package which was a new one at Eurotour

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Well that tournament was organized basically on Jasmins home turf, she runs her pool academy http://www.billiardsportacademy.com/bsa%20tour/index.html in the sports complex where Eurotour took place and she co-organized the whole event along with EPBF. I can definitely say it was pleasant experience, players even got a hospitality package which was a new one at Eurotour

Very very cool! Hospitality packages. Probably digital score boards too? Next thing you know pool will discussed as a legitimate sport!:thumbup:

I saw the images of what the academy looked like, complete with gym and different tables to practice for different tournaments. Did they bring in more tables to hold the tournament? What was the equipment used? I'm guessing aramith balls and simonis, but tables...could be rasson.

 

[marek]

Very very cool! Hospitality packages. Probably digital score boards too? Next thing you know pool will discussed as a legitimate sport!:thumbup:

I saw the images of what the academy looked like, complete with gym and different tables to practice for different tournaments. Did they bring in more tables to hold the tournament? What was the equipment used? I'm guessing aramith balls and simonis, but tables...could be rasson.

I didnt make myself clear aparently, Eurotour was not played in her academy, her academy is in the building that is adjacent to the sport hall where Eurotour was played. There are 20-24 tables usually at Eurotour, Dynamic III tables are used (https://www.dynamic-billard.de/en/billiard-tables/pool-tables/pool-tables-9ft/1184/billiard-table-dynamic-iii-9-ft-black-matt-finish-pool) with brand new Simonis 860 and new Duramith balls by Aramith (http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/index.php?idlien=10). Every table has livescoring where players are responsible to enter score and live stream via Kozoom. I am adding some pics so you can get an idea about setup and equipment used. Also I am adding a pic of me with Ralf after 2h47mins battle in last 32 where Ralf has beaten me 9:8 and by that victory he has qualified for Mosconi Cup :thumbup: Note that the hall pic was taken the evening prior to the start of the tournament hence the players dressed in leisure clothing, at Eurotour there is a strict dress code enforced (suit trousers and shoes, polo shirt or shirt with collar)

 

[Straightpool_99]

3 points between her and Albin Ouschan, lol. Seriously what kind of nutjob thinks this is an accurate measurement of their skills?! As far as ratings go, Fargorate is probably the best available, but when you take it as gospel you get into all kinds of trouble.

Race to 100 between Albin Ouschan and her. What kind of odds would you need to bet on her to win? 2:1 on the money? 3:1? How about 30 game handicap? Even someone willing to take a 50/50 risk would be crazy to bet even on this hypothetical game. A race to 9 in 9 ball is of course entirely different, but I'd still feel VERY confident betting on Albin in a race to 11, 10-ball or even call-shot 9 ball with no golden breaks, just to take the lucky rolls out of it.

Even the chap in the picture above (Ralf Souquet) actually has 5 points less on his Fargo rating than Siming Chen! Sorry, that's not accurate, and anyone who thinks so should have their head thoroughly examined and then discarded.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

I didnt make myself clear aparently, Eurotour was not played in her academy, her academy is in the building that is adjacent to the sport hall where Eurotour was played. There are 20-24 tables usually at Eurotour, Dynamic III tables are used (https://www.dynamic-billard.de/en/billiard-tables/pool-tables/pool-tables-9ft/1184/billiard-table-dynamic-iii-9-ft-black-matt-finish-pool) with brand new Simonis 860 and new Duramith balls by Aramith (http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/index.php?idlien=10). Every table has livescoring where players are responsible to enter score and live stream via Kozoom. I am adding some pics so you can get an idea about setup and equipment used. Also I am adding a pic of me with Ralf after 2h47mins battle in last 32 where Ralf has beaten me 9:8 and by that victory he has qualified for Mosconi Cup :thumbup: Note that the hall pic was taken the evening prior to the start of the tournament hence the players dressed in leisure clothing, at Eurotour there is a strict dress code enforced (suit trousers and shoes, polo shirt or shirt with collar)

Wonderful photos...thanks for sharing.

Might I add that having an overhead LED lights for each table is extremely important for the playing conditions having consistency.
I'm always greatly disappointed when there is an arena tournament and they use the house lights or natural light, leading to a very poorly lit table.
That might be one of the most high tech tournament settings I've ever seen.

 

[marek]

Wonderful photos...thanks for sharing.

Might I add that having an overhead LED lights for each table is extremely important for the playing conditions having consistency.
I'm always greatly disappointed when there is an arena tournament and they use the house lights or natural light, leading to a very poorly lit table.
That might be one of the most high tech tournament settings I've ever seen.

Thats basically the standard at Eurotour (minus the hospitality package at Klagenfurt, that was a bonus by Jasmin), I really enjoy to play at these even if they are rather expensive. On the other hand if you manage to play good enough to advance into last32 (and for that you have to perform at about 740-750 FR level usually) you +- break even with your expenses, prizemoney goes to the TOP48 players.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

3 points between her and Albin Ouschan, lol. Seriously what kind of nutjob thinks this is an accurate measurement of their skills?.

I would estimate that the nut jobs who adhere to rational thought and the scientific method would admit the possibility of the accuracy of those scores, but would simply wait until there is some evidence to support a claim one way or the other. As of now, it does not seem like there is such evidence. Well, there is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest the scores are accurate (actual data and numbers), but there is only anecdotal evidence and "it seems to me" type claims supporting the inaccuracy of the numbers.

I'm really shocked that Fargo hasn't attempted to organize an event to illustrate the accuracy of the scores. I'd pay to watch 5 matchups. Each matchup could highlight a different claim. For example, we pick someone considered to be a bar table specialist, pick an opponent of similar fargo rating but known for not playing on bar tables, and match them up. We take Siming Chen and a similarly ranked male and match them up. We can also select some lower rated people. Or whatever category people might like to test. I think it would be extremely informative, and it seems it would very much support the veracity of Fargo. Unless of course it totally contradicts the Fargo predictions, in which case we learn something anyway.

Why isn't this happening??

KMRUNOUT

 

[KMRUNOUT]

I didnt make myself clear aparently, Eurotour was not played in her academy, her academy is in the building that is adjacent to the sport hall where Eurotour was played. There are 20-24 tables usually at Eurotour, Dynamic III tables are used (https://www.dynamic-billard.de/en/billiard-tables/pool-tables/pool-tables-9ft/1184/billiard-table-dynamic-iii-9-ft-black-matt-finish-pool) with brand new Simonis 860 and new Duramith balls by Aramith (http://www.saluc.com/html/billiard/index.php?idlien=10). Every table has livescoring where players are responsible to enter score and live stream via Kozoom. I am adding some pics so you can get an idea about setup and equipment used. Also I am adding a pic of me with Ralf after 2h47mins battle in last 32 where Ralf has beaten me 9:8 and by that victory he has qualified for Mosconi Cup :thumbup: Note that the hall pic was taken the evening prior to the start of the tournament hence the players dressed in leisure clothing, at Eurotour there is a strict dress code enforced (suit trousers and shoes, polo shirt or shirt with collar)

Thanks for posting Marek. That looks like a wonderful setting to play pool. Although with no carpet, it must be loud as hell in there haha.

KMRUNOUT

 

[tableroll]

I bet she could for some premiere events, US Open, World Pool Masters, Derby City Classic, etc. But I’m pretty sure Karen Corr already won some men’s pro events.


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She should challenge Chinahov, Van Boening or Pagulyon. I will take any one of these three for 5K