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mikepage said:
Roy and i are good with each other. I don't think our outing of James Aranas cost him anything; in fact I think it went the other way. I like his style. We--FargoRate--need to be viewed as the new normal. I've been talking to Roy.

But I think Donny stepping up was a much bigger deal than the 1K. And I think Roy orchestrating a return trip is a really big deal.

It is hard to put things I value and money on the same scale--apples and oranges. But I would say that Donny v Siming match had the equivalent of a 500K value. And I would say an extended upcoming trip has a notably bigger "value" than that. This is an amorphous concept. i'm not talking about money.

To me if Dippy dave wanted to play Siming Chen for 100K, that would be uninteresting.

I see from some of the other responses that the internet guy is in some way a proxy for these other posters--they I think kind of see him as a stand in for themselves stepping up in a big way and admire somebody taking his shot. He is Rocky to them.

My reaction to this is if THIS situation does it for you, then it is really time to get off the keyboard and look internally.
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Wow, I do not know you but I have always heard you was a good person. This post does not project that.

Your not talking money? Well, maybe you should. There are threads started on a regular basis about pro players having to get day jobs.

I think the money is important to them. I can promise you they do not care if its dippy or Shane that pays them as long as they get paid.

If I was in your shoes I probably would not insult half the pool world in one single post.

Have a good day sir.
 
jrctherake said:
Wow, I do not know you but I have always heard you was a good person. This post does not project that.

Your not talking money? Well, maybe you should. There are threads started on a regular basis about pro players having to get day jobs.

I think the money is important to them. I can promise you they do not care if its dippy or Shane that pays them as long as they get paid.

If I was in your shoes I probably would not insult half the pool world in one single post.

Have a good day sir.
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I predict that by the end of my life you will be hard pressed to find someone more responsible for getting food on the table for pro players than me.

But we'll see...
 
mikepage said:
I predict that by the end of my life you will be hard pressed to find someone more responsible for getting food on the table for pro players than me.

But we'll see...
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I truly hope that turns out to be the case. So far though, its not looking that way but sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

As you said, we'll see...
 
jrctherake said:
I truly hope that turns out to be the case. So far though, its not looking that way but sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

As you said, we'll see...
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You are criticizing me for some slight you see in this thread, as though I am killing some action and throwing water on some fire. But let's review.

There are a few recent events that are coupled to one another that I think it is fair to say would not have happened if it wasn't for me:

Donny calling out out Siming Chen
Donny and Siming playing in Las Vegas
Siming teaming up with Roy
Siming planning a trip back to the states
This thread.

I am dedicating my life to looking at a bigger picture here. And yes I sometimes think about things differently. But every region that has adopted Fargo Ratings in any kind of a major way is I believe seeing more action, more tournaments, and more people in the tournaments they have. And we are just warming up.
 

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mikepage said:
You are criticizing me for some slight you see in this thread, as though I am killing some action and throwing water on some fire. But let's review.

There are a few recent events that are coupled to one another that I think it is fair to say would not have happened if it wasn't for me:

Donny calling out out Siming Chen
Donny and Siming playing in Las Vegas
Siming teaming up with Roy
Siming planning a trip back to the states
This thread.

I am dedicating my life to looking at a bigger picture here. And yes I sometimes think about things differently. But every region that has adopted Fargo Ratings in any kind of a major way is I believe seeing more action, more tournaments, and more people in the tournaments they have. And we are just warming up.
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No sir, I'm not criticizing you. If it appears so, I'm telling you now, your taking it wrong.

I did think the comment about people living through others taking a shot was uncalled for. Believe it or not there are a few damn strong players that never play in public and they do not deserve to be talked down to as they love the game every bit as much as you do.

The internet guy boogie or whatever, I really don't care if he plays or not. I did think it was interesting even if he gets run-over. Which I'm sure would happen.

I understand you are thinking of the players income a decade from now, not just today or this week or even this year. I get it. I want that too. All I ask is try to never forget others like yourself, you know, non-pro players that live and breath the game non the less regardless if they are in the Fargo system or not.

Just a misunderstanding and no hard feelings,

Rake
 
jay helfert said:
You got this one right Jack! Too many cooks spoil the broth. What we really don't need is any more people telling Boogey he shouldn't play or he's crazy. I say LET THE GUY PLAY SIMING IF HE WANTS! :yeah:
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Jay, while I agree with you to a degree, you of all people know this is a "forum". Where people exchange viewpoints and opinions. If Boogey didn't want anyone to spoil his action here, then he shouldn't be posting here, woofing it up.

It's not a one-way street here. If he, or anyone else, wants to bark, that's great, and it's interesting. But because he may or may not have action doesn't protect him from responses to his barking. To claim that this thread is going to spoil his action is disingenuous at best.

Again...if you don't want AZB spoiling your deal, stay off AZB. If you want AZB to pump up interest in a prospective match, let'er rip...

P.S. As I've said before, I hope it happens.
 
justadub said:
Jay, while I agree with you to a degree, you of all people know this is a "forum". Where people exchange viewpoints and opinions. If Boogey didn't want anyone to spoil his action here, then he shouldn't be posting here, woofing it up.

It's not a one-way street here. If he, or anyone else, wants to bark, that's great, and it's interesting. But because he may or may not have action doesn't protect him from responses to his barking. To claim that this thread is going to spoil his action is disingenuous at best.

Again...if you don't want AZB spoiling your deal, stay off AZB. If you want AZB to pump up interest in a prospective match, let'er rip...

P.S. As I've said before, I hope it happens.
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Thanks for your measured response and I hear you loud and clear! Boogey did go public with his request to make a money game with Siming and he did it anonymously. Those two things alone are ripe for criticism and he definitely got his share on here. I guess I was looking at it from a more pragmatic point of view. I couldn't see the harm in letting Siming get a nice payday from an obviously weaker player who wants to gamble with her.

FYI, well known players like Nick Varner and yes, even Efren Reyes, paid their expenses by making games with local players just to give them a chance to get in the box with a top name player. They would hand out spots like candy, while betting anywhere from $50-200 a game in One Pocket. It was considered a smart move back then, but today in the age of the internet they would probably get criticized for it. I'm sure Nick and Efren didn't consider it a waste of time.
 
One way to look at this, is whether this type of match is good for pool or not.

Watching a low rated player donate his money to a much superior player, to me, isn't good for pool.

We've all seen this guy in the local pool room. Donating money to a guy he has no business playing. It can be uncomfortable to watch at times. And a few guys tell that dude on the side trying to help him, to save his money and play someone closer to his level.

Yes, sometimes a train wreck is entertaining to watch. Or slowing down when passing an car accident to see what's up out of curiosity.

This also reminds me of Fatboy paying the somewhat large entry fee to play in that 10-ball tournament a few years ago. That was definitely not good for pool to watch someone play that really didn't belong there. But he was dead money for a pro to scoop up.

This potential match all depends on someone's own perspective when considering it.


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mikepage said:
Roy and i are good with each other. I don't think our outing of James Aranas cost him anything; in fact I think it went the other way. I like his style. We--FargoRate--need to be viewed as the new normal. I've been talking to Roy.

But I think Donny stepping up was a much bigger deal than the 1K. And I think Roy orchestrating a return trip is a really big deal.

It is hard to put things I value and money on the same scale--apples and oranges. But I would say that Donny v Siming match had the equivalent of a 500K value. And I would say an extended upcoming trip has a notably bigger "value" than that. This is an amorphous concept. i'm not talking about money.

To me if Dippy dave wanted to play Siming Chen for 100K, that would be uninteresting.

I see from some of the other responses that the internet guy is in some way a proxy for these other posters--they I think kind of see him as a stand in for themselves stepping up in a big way and admire somebody taking his shot. He is Rocky to them.

My reaction to this is if THIS situation does it for you, then it is really time to get off the keyboard and look internally.
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Thank you for your sage advice Mike. Now I don't have to go see a shrink! ;)
If you had been paying attention to my posts over the course of the last few years, you would know that I'm all in favor of Pool tournaments that feature the top men competing on equal terms with the top women. THAT might really make a difference in the furtherance of Pool as a professional sport! It would create a buzz in the sports world, unlike anything in any other sport. The publicity value alone would be huge! Put some of that on TV and see what happens!

There have already been many notable single matches between men and women, where the woman has come out on top. The most recent money game between Siming and Donny was just one more, and perhaps not as noteworthy as Karen Corr's demolition of Ko Pin Yi in the U.S. Open a couple of years back.

Whether Siming played a previously unknown player without a Fargo Rating is insignificant in the overall scheme of things, regardless of how you personally feel about it. Somehow I suspect his lack of a Fargo Rating is underneath some of your contempt for this match.

If you are sincere and really want to make a difference in professional Pool, then why don't you put some money into producing a tournament like I just described above. I will match whatever money you put into it! How about a 64 player Invitational event with $50,000 added. I got 25K to help produce that event. How about you? We could hold it at the greatest pool room in America. I think you know the one I'm talking about.

The ball is in your court.
 
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Get_A_Grip said:
One way to look at this, is whether this type of match is good for pool or not.

Watching a low rated player donate his money to a much superior player, to me, isn't good for pool.

We've all seen this guy in the local pool room. Donating money to a guy he has no business playing. It can be uncomfortable to watch at times. And a few guys tell that dude on the side trying to help him, to save his money and play someone closer to his level.

Yes, sometimes a train wreck is entertaining to watch. Or slowing down when passing an car accident to see what's up out of curiosity.

This also reminds me of Fatboy paying the somewhat large entry fee to play in that 10-ball tournament a few years ago. That was definitely not good for pool to watch someone play that really didn't belong there. But he was dead money for a pro to scoop up.

This potential match all depends on someone's own perspective when considering it.


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If you think Fatboy is a mark you would be wrong.
 
mikepage said:
I predict that by the end of my life you will be hard pressed to find someone more responsible for getting food on the table for pro players than me.

But we'll see...
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I admire your modesty Mike. I hope you didn't hurt your hand patting yourself on the back. :rolleyes:
 
mikepage said:
I actually think you are a clown.

You've been assessed in this thread as having GRIT, HEART, and COURAGE. Huh? What rabbit hole have we gone down?

No woman can have the stamina you do because she's a woman? Really?

You have somehow come to the assessment that you--some anonymous internet guy-- are going to OUT-THINK a player who is performing as one of the best players on the planet?

You assess yourself as mid-600s player, in other words a player who can't hang with ANY male pro. And yet, you claim no girl is going to beat you because you have testosterone?

Have some freakin respect man.

Siming Chen has shown HEART, GRIT, and COURAGE, imo.

You are an anonymous blowhard on the internet. You are like an anonymous teenager claiming he will beat Tiger Woods at golf because it s inconceivable to you a black man can beat you at golf.
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You were on a roll until you threw in the race card at the end :nono:

JC
 
What I don't understand about this whole discussion: everyone has the right to waste their money, don't they? Some waste it on cars, some on shady women, some on expensive clothing and whatever. So why would they not be allowed to waste THEIR money on an apparently mismatched pool game?

How would this hurt pool? Who would care? I just remember Dippy Dave. The stiffing part was bad for pool but would him wasting money to play the "Greats" have hurt pool in any way? Who would even watch games like that apart from people who are into money games and pool anyway?

And no, I am not a money player. I played some many moons ago for small amounts. Today I don't think it is worth my time to play for more than a beer or table time. But I don't mind if others feel differently about it. Or if they consider a "lesson" by Efren or some other pro worth the money to play them. Who would have a business judging that?

On the plus side this may be entertainment for all who can watch it for free. It may also be a boring game where someone gets slaughtered. So what. My computer has an "off" button.
 
If I wanted to play any pro for a couple stacks I definitely wouldn’t need the interwebs to set it up.
Just show up to an event your player frequents or call the houseman in their area. If you were older and unknown there should be no shortage of people to call your action. So to come here to stir it up is odd, but ok.

Guy wants to test his game and put up his money.
This is pool.

Not good for pool or bad for pool.
This is pool.
 
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