Good post, sir. And very accurate about how some of the system works
(he's always "happy to drop it" when it comes to CTE.................yet, he never does)
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CTE - A - Outside Pivot - Only for straight shots?
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(he's always "happy to drop it" when it comes to CTE.................yet, he never does)
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Yep.
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Well I guess others can decide for themselves, but I have not said anything Stan hasn't already said himself in the video. I DID NOT say he used the A outside for a half ball hit. Stan did not specify exactly on which of the 49 degrees he would switch from an outside to an inside so I said he uses the outside pivot "close to" a 30 degree hit. I still fail to see what the big deal is. Even Vorpal said that Stan's video shows what perceptions to use from 0 to 49 degrees.
I may be the only person (well I have to include sacman) here who has shown any interest in whether Jucas get it now. I find it interesting how some people take to CTE while others don't. I'm curious if he gets it working for himself and if so what he learned to make it click.
I'm done with you, I just can't make myself to drop down to your level.
You are aware of the persona non grata who often said the sentence that you're now repeating like a parrot?
"...others can decide for themselves..."
No I'm not aware of who said that. Probably Hitler, right? I'm sorry that you choose not to drop to my level. I guess doing so would involve actually discussing the facts.
I'm sure I'll sleep just fine tonight.
Note to Jucas: Please don't let the bs chatter confuse the issue. If you don't understand how you can pocket a straight shot with A-outside and also a shallow or medium angle shot with the same A-outside then don't be shy. Keep asking for more direction.
That sentence was what ENGLISH! was repeating the whole time when needlessly comentating about CTE, which he was also ignorant about just like you.
What exactly made you say Hitler?
You think that you can discuss CTE like you know it for a fact? Are you insane?
I'm sure you'll sleep fine not just tonight but every night, crazy ppl tend to do so.
lol. OK, whatever you say. I'm not going to continue explaining things to you so let's agree to disagree. I did not pick a fight in this thread but I am ending it here.
Have a good evening.
Knowledge, experience and very keen observation .
Efren observes how the table plays when his opponent is shooting even.
Unwind and stand up
I've been practicing with Pro One the last few days. I've noticed if you set up a half ball shot you can 'unwind' it and come up with an A visual. In fact all the shots from 0-30 can be 'unpivoted' back to the A. By working the shots backwards it's easier to find the proper bridge length. If any member is 'curious' about the workings of CTE, I suggest they play some shots backwards until things start to jell for them. Then they can play if forward.
I've been practicing with Pro One the last few days. I've noticed if you set up a half ball shot you can 'unwind' it and come up with an A visual. In fact all the shots from 0-30 can be 'unpivoted' back to the A. By working the shots backwards it's easier to find the proper bridge length. If any member is 'curious' about the workings of CTE, I suggest they play some shots backwards until things start to jell for them. Then they can play if forward.
This is a great post and if CTE had been presented in this way originally there never would have been any arguments. Here's what I mean:
Consider ghost ball aiming and CTE aiming. In each case there are three main variables for purposes of this discussion - 1) What do you aim at? 2) How much pivot? and 3) What is the bridge length?
If all three variables are kept the same, aim, pivot and bridge length, then the object ball will go to the same place every time. You have to change one of these variables if you want the object ball to go in a different direction. It does not matter where on the table you place the balls. A half ball hit is a half ball hit is a half ball hit and it will always send the ob in approx. a 30 degree angle.
Say I want to pocket a ball somewhere between 0 and 30 degrees as in Vorpal's example. What am I changing with ghost ball aiming? There is no pivot in this kind of aiming. You simply set your bridge on the table in line with the shot and stroke straight through. So bridge length also does not matter because there is no pivot. That leaves the aim point. In ghost ball you identify the contact point and then imagine where the cb needs to go to hit that contact point. So from one shot to the next the variable that must change is the location of the contact point, which is another way of saying that you aim at a different spot on the ob.
What am I changing with CTE aiming? For Vorpal's 0 to 30 degrees, I am not changing my "aim" because I am choosing the A visual outside pivot. I am also not changing the amount of pivot because the method says to use the same tip offset, like a half tip, no matter the shot (moving the tip from the offset to ccb is what I mean by "amount of pivot"). Something has to give and it is the bridge length. For a given bridge length, when you move the tip to ccb the shaft of the cue will be pointing in a different direction and this will send the ob in a different direction.
I've always said that traditional aiming requires judgment in where to aim the cue ball while CTE aiming requires judgment of a different sort. Some probably change bridge length while others probably change amount of pivot.
I hate to keep saying it but the only system (other than possibly Tucker's) that links the balls on the table to the pocket location is Poolology. This is done by using the rails and doing some math. This is about as close as you can get to a completely objective system where the fractional aim that pockets the ball is given to you from the math.
Wrong again.......
(another one of White's "I keep my CTE comments to a minimum") :shrug:
TOTALLY WRONG ON ALL COUNTS WHERE CTE IS CONCERNED !
(another one of White's "I keep my CTE comments to a minimum") :shrug:
As usual, very constructive and baiting type comment. Is Vorpal wrong, too, or is it just me?
Edit: Why don't you follow your own advice and put me on ignore so that life will be so much easier. That's what you always say, right?
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I didn't mean that I was changing my bridge length between different shot angles. I should have been more exact with my wording. The shots can be 'unwound' using the same bridge length, in my case about 7 - 8 inches. I noticed when practicing that some of my shots would go thin. I realized that I had the cb close to the rail and my bridge length was getting shorter.
I mentioned finding the bridge length for players who have no experience with the system. If the bridge length is incorrect they won't come the exact A perception. A new user will have to find the length that suits his body.
F.Y.I. - I'm new at using Pro One also. The post I made was just an observation I thought some may find informative. Please don't take my comments as gospel on how the system works. I'm just a moron working on peon as far as Pro One is concerned.
I mentioned finding the bridge length for players who have no experience with the system. If the bridge length is incorrect they won't come the exact A perception. A new user will have to find the length that suits his body.
F.Y.I. - I'm new at using Pro One also. The post I made was just an observation I thought some may find informative. Please don't take my comments as gospel on how the system works. I'm just a moron working on peon as far as Pro One is concerned.
I thought someone was finally making some sense. D'oh!!!
So you are in the camp that the same visual with the same pivot and the same bridge length works equally for a straight in and a half ball hit?
I thought someone was finally making some sense. D'oh!!!
So you are in the camp that the same visual with the same pivot and the same bridge length works equally for a straight in and a half ball hit?
Of course it does. Now why don't you go away and let these guys work things out instead of over analyzing one little tidbit here and there so you can puff your chest out.
Either go all in and learn CTE or go away, you aren't helping anyone.
PS if you want to talk poolology start your own thread, these guys are making progress on CTE here.
As usual, very constructive and baiting type comment. Is Vorpal wrong, too, or is it just me?
Edit: Why don't you follow your own advice and put me on ignore so that life will be so much easier. That's what you always say, right?
If you don't want to be baited then why are you here.
What you mean to say is you have no clue about CTE but you feel the need to keep twisting things that people post.
You know, cookieman, if I was someone who had to often say....."I hate to keep saying it but"
.......................................then I think if I hated to say it, I'd stop saying it.What would you say about that or would you 'hate to say it'...? :wink:
Happy trails to you.:thumbup:
Yep!
(notice how most of us CTE students adamantly avoid discussions of poology, of which we know very little and have no desire to get involved with)
Life goes on....