Meucci question (history)

Buster8001

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I'm trying to put together a timeline for Meucci cues. I'm starting a website dedicated to cue brochures, and I have several different Meucci once. I can use Budget Cues Meucci archives for most, but I have some that they dont. So, I need a little help. What was the first Meucci brochure? When were the first Meucci cues made? Was the Meucci Originals the first line? W/hen were the one's with the stickers made - were they made when he was with Huebler?

I have the sticker line brochure, so I'm wondering where to fit it in.

On a side note: that brochure states Meucci used an Implex (nylon) female thread, just like Huebler.
 
I'm trying to put together a timeline for Meucci cues. I'm starting a website dedicated to cue brochures, and I have several different Meucci once. I can use Budget Cues Meucci archives for most, but I have some that they dont. So, I need a little help. What was the first Meucci brochure? When were the first Meucci cues made? Was the Meucci Originals the first line? W/hen were the one's with the stickers made - were they made when he was with Huebler?

I have the sticker line brochure, so I'm wondering where to fit it in.

On a side note: that brochure states Meucci used an Implex (nylon) female thread, just like Huebler.

The cues with the stickers came first.

I would list them as Huebler and Meucci. There is some controversy so I would just leave it at that.

The year? I don't remember, immediately. 74? .
 
The cues with the stickers came first.

I would list them as Huebler and Meucci. There is some controversy so I would just leave it at that.

The year? I don't remember, immediately. 74? .

Thanks, Doc. I figured they came first, I just wanted confirmation.

I, too, have heard there was some controversy; some sort of falling out between the two of them. I'm going to list them as Meucci, only, as that's how the cues are "branded", and avoid the Huebler reference all together.

I just wish I knew more about that time and their working relationship. What caused the falling out? The cues are so similar from that period.

Josh
 
I think they opened up the factory in Memphis in 1974. I bought a MO-3 in Nashville in early 1975, and they told me at the time it was the first shipment they had received. (I think it was one of the first shipments out of Memphis.). I think I was the 2nd or 3rd person to purchase one in Nashville. Wanted the MO-4 with the points but could not afford it at the time. Still have the cue.
 
I think they opened up the factory in Memphis in 1974. I bought a MO-3 in Nashville in early 1975, and they told me at the time it was the first shipment they had received. (I think it was one of the first shipments out of Memphis.). I think I was the 2nd or 3rd person to purchase one in Nashville. Wanted the MO-4 with the points but could not afford it at the time. Still have the cue.

The Blue Book says Bob was making cues in Memphis in the early 70's and then "On March 24, 1975, Bob founded Meucci Originals in Olive Branch, Mississippi ..."
 
i bought a cue that BOB made in 64/65 when we both were in the CHI area

iirc he stated that he moved to MEMPHIS in late 74 and opened a small shop shortly thereafter

He still had a store/shop on Getwell Ave in Memphis when i was transferred here in 76 although he may have been operating out of duel locations, which i doubt

let's not confuse much blue book content with fact
 
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All we need to do is date the brochures...

That's why I said to avoid the controversies. ;)

The MO cues seem to have started in 75...and the sticker cues were around 74...maybe back to 73.


Yes, he made cues n the 60's.

So did Mr McDermott.

And others that really didn't emerge so much to become well known until later...like Helmstetter.

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From : INTERNATIONAL CUEMAKERS website

https://www.internationalcuemakers.com/hall-of-fame/

INTERNATIONAL CUEMAKERS HALL OF FAME

Bob Meucci: Inducted 2006
Bob started building cues in the early 1960’s. In 1968 he took over the cue department at National Tournament Chalk. He founded B.M.C. in Glenview, Illinois in 1969. He also helped set up the WICO cue making operation. He made some point blanks for Gus Szamboti, George Balabushka and for many other top cuemakers and perfected the seamless plastic veneer points that were popular on some older cues. He popularized the flat faced wood to wood joint with collars and the 58 inch length cues. He moved his cue making operation to the Memphis area in 1975 and changed the name to Meucci Originals. He was one of the first cuemakers to make points out of Mother Of Pearl and inlay pictures in 14-karat gold. He was one of the first modern cuemaker to use the forearm as a canvas with intricate inlaid scenes instead of traditional points or inlays. He popularized the sealed Irish linen wraps and was among the first to break into the 5 figure cue market.

He is credited with setting the standard for the major cue manufacturers of using metal working equipment instead of wood lathes to manufacture cues on. He helped modernize and establish some other cue making factories. He has given training to many of today’s top cuemakers and cue manufacturers. He popularized the use of really white maple and the longer pro taper on the shafts. He had more professional and semi-pro players playing with his cues in the late 70’s and 1980’s than any other cuemaker. He developed a precision robot called the Myth Destroyer to test the cue ball speed and deflection a cue gives when striking the cue ball. He has kept the industry focused on the hit of the cue. He developed materials and construction techniques in his cues that produced more cue ball English, draw and follow than any other major manufacturer. This is one reason why his cues ruled the pro circuit when they played on slower cloth. He has been at the top of the cue making industry for decades, and has had major influence on all aspects of our industry. He pushed the artistic designs and price value of the cues to levels that were cutting edge at the time and paved the way for the rest of us.

And from Blue book:

http://bluebookofpoolcuevalues.com/...cue_manufacturer.aspx?id=meucci_originals_inc

MEUCCI ORIGINALS INC.
Maker of pool cues from 1975 to 1998 in Olive Branch, Mississippi, and from 1998 to present in Sledge, Mississippi.
ob Meucci was born in Glenview, Illinois, the son of William "Red" Meucci, an Industrial Engineer. "Red" worked as a freelance designer and die maker and holds three patents. The most successful being for the Mutone Duck Call, which Red designed, produced, and marketed in the late 1940s. He also designed the Nydar gun sight, which was used by the U.S. military in World War II, and a weedless fishing lure. Bob was raised around his father´s equipment and his creativity. He learned how to operate the machines in his father´s tool and die shop as a preteen.
By the mid-1960s, Bob was making a few cues and experimenting with new types of construction. He founded B.M.C. to make cues in Glenview around this time. In 1968, he took over management of the cue department at National Chalk Co. One year later, National Chalk moved to Georgia and Bob chose to stay in Chicago. During this time, Bob helped to set up other cuemaking operations such as WICO, the company that made the first blanks for Gus Szamboti. He quickly gained recognition as a talented and creative cuemaker. In the early seventies, Bob was making cues in Memphis, Tennessee.
On March 24, 1975, Bob founded Meucci Originals in Olive Branch, Mississippi, in a newly designed cuemaking facility. The company has grown to become one of the most successful and recognized names in the cuemaking industry. His understanding of woodworking equipment allowed him to make his own machines, capable of turning out very unique cues. For instance, he is one of few cuemakers ever to make cues with mother-of-pearl points. And, he was one of the first to inlay pictures in 14-karat gold. When Bob started making cues, most had points or traditional inlays in the forearm. He was the first modern cuemaker to use the forearm as a canvas, creating theme cues with intricate inlaid scenes on the forearms. In 1998, Bob moved production to a more modern facility in Sledge, Mississippi, about 70 miles from Olive Branch.
Recent Meucci cues are easily identifiable by the Meucci trademark on the butt cap. Cues made before 1990 will have "Meucci Originals" instead. Although Meucci has tried a number of different joints, the 5/16-18 flat-face Implex joint is the one most frequently encountered. Chain links and checkered rings are common on Meucci cues, especially on the joints and butt sleeves. New cues come with finish over the Irish Linen for protection, which players can sand off if they choose to feel the wrap.
Bob was one of the first cuemakers to foresee cues as becoming collectible, and was one of the first to market limited edition cues, and for a time offered special edition cues each month. Limited edition cues can be marked such as SE 1-7, for "Summer Edition," and may also have serial numbers and/or dates on the butt caps. In the early eighties, Meucci made a "Roadrunner" cue featuring inlays of the Roadrunner cartoon character. About a half a dozen of these cues were made at a retail price of approximately $600. Today, a Meucci Roadrunner cue can easily bring thousands.
Meucci has also made some of the most intricate and ornate cues ever built. The Taj Mahal cue featured a bird´s-eye maple forearm with a scene depicting scrimshawed ivory elephants carrying treasures up an Indian ebony winding road. The cue was inlaid with lapis lazuli, bloodstone, and over 3 1/2 ounces of 14-karat gold. The cue took over 350 man-hours of labor to complete. Another famous Meucci cue was "The King James." Originally made for Jim Rempe, this cue was inlaid with gold, ivory, emeralds, rubies, and diamonds. It sold new for $22,000, but has sold several times since, each time for more money. It is known to have sold for $40,000 and is rumored to have brought $75,000.
Bob is very proud that Meucci makes all parts except for the Le Pro tips, as opposed to buying them from suppliers. Meucci cues still feature spliced forearms, while many of his competitors now inlay their points with CNC machines. Most of the inlay work on Meucci cues is still done by hand. His wood is processed in his own sawmills and kilns which allows him more control over quality. He prefers to make lighter cues that are balanced further to the rear than most other cues, as he believes they play better.
In 1998, Bob built the "Myth Destroyer," a robot to test deflection in cues. He used this device to develop his "Red Dot" shafts, which are now standard for Meucci and are available for other manufacturers´ cues. Bob has developed a new taper designed to reduce deflection, which he believes to be a primary concern among players. A video that explains the "Myth Destroyer" and the results Bob achieved in testing his Red Dot shafts is available from Meucci Originals, Inc. Now Meucci offers the Black Dot Bullseye Flat Laminated Shaft with 35
 
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There's a lot of history missing from those two offerings. Deliberately, I think.

But, Doc is correct; I just needed to date my brochure.

Thank you all.

Josh
 
Lou, that was a phenomenal read. Thank you.

I'd love to see your Moochie!

Josh


Thank you for the kind words, Josh.

I had to go rooting around the closet but here it is.

Lou Figueroa
 

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On a side note: that brochure states Meucci used an Implex (nylon) female thread, just like Huebler.
Not for nothing, but Implex is an acrylic (PMMA or Polymethyl-Methacrylate). Nylon is polyamide. They are very far apart from each other in the thermoplastic world in almost every way possible.


Freddie <~~~ in plastics we trust
 
That makes perfect sense. I bought my first cue, a rosewood Meucci with a checkerboard pattern on the butt sleeve for $90, from the old Dixie Billiard Supply in Harvey IL in December 1971. It had no markings, other than a weight sticker. When the plastic joint collar split, a few years later, I sent it back to Bob Meucci, and he tried to tell me that it was a Huebler, not a Meucci (they had a similar design cue). When I reminded him of when and where I bought it, he agreed that it was his, and repaired it for free. I still have that cue, although the shaft is super worn in the middle from sanding it. :eek: That was long before I knew better! LOL

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

i bought a cue that BOB made in 64/65 when we both were in the CHI area

iirc he stated that he moved to MEMPHIS in late 74 and opened a small shop shortly thereafter

He still had a store/shop on Getwell Ave in Memphis when i was transferred here in 76 although he may have been operating out of duel locations, which i doubt

let's not confuse much blue book content with fact
 
I bought a Meucci cue in 1974 in Boulder Colorado from the guy who owned the new room he had just opened on 14th Street (I think) off of Pearl Street. It was sold as "new" and he said that he got it directly from Bob, and I remember he mentioned that Bob was in Illinois. I loved that cue but it got stolen out of my house in Oakland in 1978. I wish I could remember exactly what it looked like, but I'm not sure anymore. I know it had the checkered rings, and I think it had some simple points. Looking at the 1975 MO catalog, it might have been similar to the MO-4 or MO-7. Does anyone know if Meucci was making those models in 1974, before he moved to Memphis and opened MO? Was the cue I bought in 74 the same as or different than the MO models on offer in 1975?
 
I know, old post but here
I'm trying to put together a timeline for Meucci cues. I'm starting a website dedicated to cue brochures, and I have several different Meucci once. I can use Budget Cues Meucci archives for most, but I have some that they dont. So, I need a little help. What was the first Meucci brochure? When were the first Meucci cues made? Was the Meucci Originals the first line? W/hen were the one's with the stickers made - were they made when he was with Huebler?

I have the sticker line brochure, so I'm wondering where to fit it in.

On a side note: that brochure states Meucci used an Implex (nylon) female thread, just like Huebler.
Little late, but here you go.
 

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Here's the first one I believe.
 

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I remember when Bob brought the Myth Destroyer to SBE and he was set up across from Predator. They would not put one of the predators
in the machine, Bob had to go buy one so everyone could see the deflection vs Meucci's. Bob would put any makers cue in the Myth Destroyer.
It was very funny watching Bob's demonstration with Predator people standing with arms folded, it was pissing them off. King James Rempe was at the machine with Bob, good times. That was about 25 years ago.
 
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