Skid/throw question (Strickland match)

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I was watching an Earl Strickland vs. Chang 9-ball match from about 2003 and Earl missed a ball on a cut shot. You'd think he should've made it. Upon replay I noticed that the object ball did not start rolling immediately, it slid across the table and then rolled, missing the pocket entirely. Wondering if this is "skid/throw."

Ah... I decided to just find the video. The shot is at 1:19:30. They show a couple of replays that appear to be slow motion.

Is this the way balls normally react or is this skid/throw?

Another question is... is skid/throw often unpredictable... no way you could have known the balls would react as such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtpc9SbaFY
 
livemusic said:
I was watching an Earl Strickland vs. Chang 9-ball match from about 2003 and Earl missed a ball on a cut shot. You'd think he should've made it. Upon replay I noticed that the object ball did not start rolling immediately, it slid across the table and then rolled, missing the pocket entirely. Wondering if this is "skid/throw."

Ah... I decided to just find the video. The shot is at 1:19:30. They show a couple of replays that appear to be slow motion.

Is this the way balls normally react or is this skid/throw?

Another question is... is skid/throw often unpredictable... no way you could have known the balls would react as such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtpc9SbaFY
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Happens when balls and/or table are not clean.
 
livemusic said:
I was watching an Earl Strickland vs. Chang 9-ball match from about 2003 and Earl missed a ball on a cut shot. You'd think he should've made it. Upon replay I noticed that the object ball did not start rolling immediately, it slid across the table and then rolled, missing the pocket entirely. Wondering if this is "skid/throw."

Ah... I decided to just find the video. The shot is at 1:19:30. They show a couple of replays that appear to be slow motion.

Is this the way balls normally react or is this skid/throw?

Another question is... is skid/throw often unpredictable... no way you could have known the balls would react as such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtpc9SbaFY
Click to expand...

So there is throw on cut shots, you can look up "cut induced throw". But there is also the mostly unpredictable throw and skid that happens for reasons that some say is dirt/chalk, some say is static electricity (yes, really). I usually get a skid when hitting above center with what I call a "fake stroke", meaning it's not at your natural speed, you are holding back your arm to prevent a double hit or keep the cueball speed slow. I think that causes the cueball to bounce a bit off the cloth and it then hits the cueball with some odd spin and angle.
 
livemusic said:
I was watching an Earl Strickland vs. Chang 9-ball match from about 2003 and Earl missed a ball on a cut shot. You'd think he should've made it. Upon replay I noticed that the object ball did not start rolling immediately, it slid across the table and then rolled, missing the pocket entirely. Wondering if this is "skid/throw."

Ah... I decided to just find the video. The shot is at 1:19:30. They show a couple of replays that appear to be slow motion.

Is this the way balls normally react or is this skid/throw?

Another question is... is skid/throw often unpredictable... no way you could have known the balls would react as such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtpc9SbaFY
Click to expand...
That was just a miss.

He simply overcut the ball.

Skid/kick/cling (with more accurate aim) would have pushed the OB into the side cushion. For more info, with demonstrations, see:

cling/skid/kick resource page

Enjoy,
Dave
 
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victhestick said:
No. Skid/Throw would appear as undercut.
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Yup. Skid did not cause him to miss that shot. It looked like a clean hit. Balls never roll immediately, they slide a little (depending on how hard the ball is hit) before picking up roll.

You'll usually see the ball hop a little when there's a skid.

But that wasn't a gimme, it was a long tough cut shot!
 
Here is a link direct to the shot in question:

https://youtu.be/Kqtpc9SbaFY?t=1h19m25s

If you look at what the cue ball did after hitting the one ball it is clear that he used right side spin on the shot. He over-cut the ball so the problem may have been that he did not judge the amount of swerve (cue ball curve on the way to the object ball) accurately for the shot. Or, he may have just had the wrong aim. It is not a shot you would expect Earl to miss.
 
When skid/cling happens, on a cut shot, the object ball is decidedly undercut, and usually you can hear a certain unusual sound the cue ball and object make when they contact each other. The cue ball also doesn't go where you would expect it to go when this happens. I've even seen it happen on a virtually straight in shot, where the object ball may still be made, but the cue ball may take a little hop then virtually stop, even when you've planned to play a few feet of follow and you've hit the shot correctly.

I disagree with it being caused by dirty cloth or balls, although that might make it more likely. I've had it happen to me on brand new clean cloth and new/clean balls. I think it happens when a chalk mark on the cue ball is the contact point with the object ball.

The shot Earl missed you are referring to was NOT due to skid/cling, as it would never have caused an overcut. The reason the object ball skidded/slid before it started rolling was due to pace of the shot as well as likely that they were playing on fairly new cloth, which causes object balls to "float" more before they start rolling.
 
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exactly

ChrisinNC said:
When skid/cling happens, on a cut shot, the object ball is decidedly undercut, and usually you can hear a certain unusual sound the cue ball and object make when they contact each other. The cue ball also doesn't go where you would expect it to go when this happens. I've even seen it happen on a virtually straight in shot, where the object ball may still be made, but the cue ball may take a little hop then virtually stop, even when you've planned to play a few feet of follow and you've hit the shot correctly.

I disagree with it being caused by dirty cloth or balls, although that might make it more likely. I've had it happen to me on brand new clean cloth and new/clean balls. I think it happens when a chalk mark on the cue ball is the contact point with the object ball.

The shot Earl missed you are referring to was NOT due to skid/cling, as it would never have caused an overcut. The reason the object ball skidded/slid before it started rolling was due to pace of the shot as well as likely that they were playing on fairly new cloth, which causes object balls to "float" more before they start rolling.
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Exactly. Hit all points. Throw would push it into rail. And an object ball slides for a moment before it begins to roll as it is struck in the center. You get the same reaction striking the cue ball dead center. Well said!
 
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