Right - gravity causes a plane to point its nose up (figuratively speaking). To overcome gravity.
Maybe look up "how planes fly" too.
pj
chgo
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Maybe look up "how planes fly" too.
pj
chgo
I think the problem does lie in brainwashing...
The problem does lie in brainwashing...unfortunately it's from both sides. A lack of rational logical thought on both sides has contributed to an inability to know what is reality and what is not.
There are a lot of things that are taken for granted on the side of science that just aren't necessarily likely.
This creates an environment that makes it difficult for some people to understand the biases that influence their beliefs. This leads to so much that is belief being believed to be fact when it is not.
It would take a dissertation on the subjects for me to put out logical arguments for some accounts. I'm not saying that I take biblical accounts as literal or factual as recorded, but I think followers of the paradigms might be greatly surprised to find out how much they accept as fact that forces a discounting out of hand of some historical accounts that is not fact at all.
Jaden
The problem does lie in brainwashing...unfortunately it's from both sides. A lack of rational logical thought on both sides has contributed to an inability to know what is reality and what is not.
There are a lot of things that are taken for granted on the side of science that just aren't necessarily likely.
This creates an environment that makes it difficult for some people to understand the biases that influence their beliefs. This leads to so much that is belief being believed to be fact when it is not.
It would take a dissertation on the subjects for me to put out logical arguments for some accounts. I'm not saying that I take biblical accounts as literal or factual as recorded, but I think followers of the paradigms might be greatly surprised to find out how much they accept as fact that forces a discounting out of hand of some historical accounts that is not fact at all.
Jaden
Here is an extremely simplified explanation, which is how I explained it to my very young nephew, not in these exact words but..:
Gravity is pulling the plane down. Gravity pulls everything towards the Earths core, including the atmosphere. Because of friction, the atmosphere rotates along with the earth, and as you would predict from such a force existing, the atmosphere gets gradually thinner the higher the altitude, just like the earths composition changes with the heavier elements being more prevalent the closer you get to the core. It's all a gradient (simplified).
To combat the downwards force by gravity, the planes wings must generate lift. Lift is achieved by the wings design. At speed the air above the wing moves faster than the air below, pulling the plane up. As long as sufficient speed is maintained, the plane will either climb or maintain its altitude. As the air gets thinner in higher altitudes, the wing can no longer generate sufficient lift, so a plane cannot fly into space. To fly into space, you need a rocket.. Therefore, a plane flying at a certain speed with certain control settings will (given normal conditions) maintain a horisontal flight path around the globe (basically, obviously not to an exact degree), without further course corrections. The course correction in this case is the gravity working against the lift generated by the wing. Of course the gravity is not entirely equal anywhere on earth, because the earth is not a true sphere, but an oblate spheroid. For the purposes of our discussion we will omit that and as I'm not a pilot, im not even sure how much of a factor that is, if any, in practical flights?
Oh, and by the way: Planes do not need their noses to point down to descend (landings would be pretty terrifying if that was the case). If the lift decreases below the value needed to maintain altitude, for any reason (speed, atmosphere, control settings (changing wing surfaces), ice on the wings, whatever), gravity will pull the plane down. Pointing the nose down is just one way of doing it.
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To keep this pool related:
Would a ball launched up off the table with a lot of backspin (jump draw) fly longer than one without (given same intial speed and trajectory)? Discuss.
Would a ball launched up off the table with a lot of backspin (jump draw) fly longer than one without (given same intial speed and trajectory)? Discuss.
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Yes, the plane, propelled by its engines, "surfs" on the atmosphere at a slight upward angle equal to the downward angle gravity wants it to take - thus achieving level flight.
For satellites in orbit around the Earth it's gravity that "points their noses down" so they don't fly in a straight line off into space - and without friction to slow them down, they maintain the correct speed to just overcome gravity's pull.
pj
chgo
Do you accept that fossils are found in strata, where each stratum contains fossils of a similar age, and that the deeper they are (initially) located, the older the stratum?
Do you accept the mechanisms of radioactive decay?
Do you accept that animals need to eat a certain amount of food and excrete waste in order to maintain life?
Do you accept that animals adapt to their habitat, (including physical properties of such) and if taken abrubtly or otherwise out of that habitat, may suffer health consequences, even death?
Do you accept that certain animals have a very specialized diet and may die if not fed the right amount or type of food?
Do you accept the principles of the Earths water cycle?
If so we agree.
Do think that the earth is flat?
Do you think there is a "firmament"?
Do you believe there are "windows" which can be opened in this firmament to let water in (from space I suppose?)
Do you believe that at one time, men could be 800 years old?
Do you believe that animals made their way from all over the world to join Noah on his ark, including Australia?
In that case we disagree.
Just my statement and nothing more........
Because of the supernatural powers of God Almighty....that's the how and why of it all.
No need to 'come back' at this...I won't get drawn into this one.
Regards and stay happy
P. Lowenstein
Idiot brainwashed believers like me can tell you right away the "why" of it all.
Because of the supernatural powers of God Almighty....that's the how and why of it all.
No need to 'come back' at this...I won't get drawn into this one.
Regards and stay happy
P. Lowenstein
What I'm saying is, this is a virtual reality. It's programmed for us to see things a certain way, under certain conditions. There is nothing physical, including us. We are souls that are decision makers over our avatar characters. The physical world is nothing more than what it is programmed to be. And yes, it has a refresh rate.
I am well aware that most people are trapped in the Matrix and will never accept that they are not material beings.
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I am well aware that most people are trapped in the Matrix and will never accept that they are not material beings.
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Forget about the plane example. Unless a pilot that actually flies a commercial airliner can chime in and explain whether they constantly decend every 650 feet to account for the earth's curvature or not.
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First and foremost you do not understand the gravity vs lift explanation of flight AT ALL. Why would you need a pilot to explain to you something even a child can understand? I'll try to make it even simpler for you: Gravity is pulling down on you no matter where you are. The plane generates lift. So at a given speed with a given wing you will be equidistant from sea level (roughly). If you feel this is to simplified we can go more into detail, but it shouldn't be necessary. Just try to refute the argument as it is, if you can. This works because the Earth is (close to) being spherical, which again is a necessary effect of gravity existing in the first place. Gravity not only explains things falling on your head, it explain the formation of planets, solar systems and galaxies, aside from such trifling things as the flight of an aeroplane.
So your contention is that someone put together a simulation so perfect that nobody, not even the most brilliant minds can see through it, except you, a person who can not understand even the simplest physical argument. Not only that, but they make it flawed, for some reason. Why would the simulated world violate its own rules and logic? Gravity works perfectly and without fail, except in a plane, for some reason. If pilots had to correct their course, then they could reasonably put two and two together and expose gravity as a false notion, or at least incompletely understood. What about the autopilot engineers? Wouldn't they have to understand the falseness of our understanding? Oh, right, they are simulated. So it should be possible for you to build an aeroplane that flies right into space? Would "the programmer" stop you if you tried to get an engineering degree or even just studied on your own? The whole thing is so stupid, why make 1 million special exceptions, instead of applying one general rule? I'm no super programmer, but to me it would seem a lot simpler to just simulate gravity, instead of selectively switching it on and off and trying to "simulate within the simulation". It would also prevent people from detecting the Matrix and it would help with the refresh rate as well.
How exactly did you determine the refresh rate again? That ought to be a good story.
The fact that we may or may not live in a simulation is an interesting philosophical idea, which cannot be proven.
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A Zen student says to his teacher “I realize now that everything is maya (illusion)
The teacher picks up a stick and starts beating him with it....asks..
“Is this pain an illusion?”
I had the good fortune to meet Buzz Aldrin once. I shook his hand and blurted out, "You went to the Moon!" His response was classic, "And I came back too!" Love that guy and I fully get his response to me. If you were 240,000 miles from Earth looking back on your home planet, you would also be thinking about how you're going to get home!
Buzz Aldrin is not known for being the most patient man with dummies. I suspect that if a "Flat Earther" approached him with their conspiracy theory, they might get slapped. He hit another guy once who said that his trip to the Moon was fake.
As far as testing any theory to prove the Earth is spherical, it's been done! This "theory" has been tested so many times that it is no longer a theory. It is a scientific FACT!
You are correct. Just look up Bernoulli's Principle for a simple explanation of "lift" that allows a plane to fly.
Actually some of you pool players need to get a little Degrassi in your system. Until you do, you shouldn't argue with this guy. He's 100% on point, problem is, very few, of you understand quantum physics, or what he is talking about. About as high over your heads as that ridiculous airplane would be. He is right though.
You do realize, on a quantum level, which he is referring to, gravity doesn't exist. Right? The laws of nature you know, break down. Your plane argument is so far off base from what he's saying it's funny.
Quantum Physics, as I know it to be, is another way of defining the physical properties of a Universe. There is a wonderful movie, "Mindwalk", that explains the physical properties of our Universe extremely well. For some it is a boring movie, but for those seeking enlightenment it's a must see. You will watch it more than once!
