WE LIVE ON A PLANET: YES, this is pool related

[Straightpool_99]

You do realize, on a quantum level, which he is referring to, gravity doesn't exist. Right? The laws of nature you know, break down. Your plane argument is so far off base from what he's saying it's funny.

The problem is, he's not merely referring to the quantum level, but also the macro level.

"I'm not talking just about measuring the earth itself. Ask any pilot if they need to constantly steer the plane downwards, which would be required based on the stated curvature of the earth to keep planes from flying right out into space."

WTF was that, then? Read that paragraph again, please.

"There is nothing physical, including us. We are souls that are decision makers over our avatar characters. The physical world is nothing more than what it is programmed to be. And yes, it has a refresh rate."

This is all conjecture, basically word salad. Prove any of it.

So the "proof" of this theory is that we don't understand everything that happens on the quantum level. We get certain contradictory measurements. Because of this, everything must be fake. I could just as easily say it's magic, or we're in someones dream and it would be equally valid.

My argument was that if this is indeed a simulated existence, it would be far better and more parsimonious to make the measurements or arguments consistent on the macro level. Some general rules rather than 1 quadrillion true/false statements.

 

[jay helfert]

The problem is, he's not merely referring to the quantum level, but also the macro level.

"I'm not talking just about measuring the earth itself. Ask any pilot if they need to constantly steer the plane downwards, which would be required based on the stated curvature of the earth to keep planes from flying right out into space."

WTF was that, then? Read that paragraph again, please.

"There is nothing physical, including us. We are souls that are decision makers over our avatar characters. The physical world is nothing more than what it is programmed to be. And yes, it has a refresh rate."

This is all conjecture, basically word salad. Prove any of it.

So the "proof" of this theory is that we don't understand everything that happens on the quantum level. We get certain contradictory measurements. Because of this, everything must be fake. I could just as easily say it's magic, or we're in someones dream and it would be equally valid.

You'd love Mindwalk if you haven't already seen it. You can watch it on the internet. It's impossible to get a copy of it. At least I've never been able to find one anywhere.

 

[pt109]

Since we're digging pretty deep here...some may want to read this book..
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The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism is a 1975 book by physicist Fritjof Capra. It was a bestseller in the United States and has been published in 43 editions in 23 languages. The fourth edition in English was published in 2000.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

So... none of that got through.

OK. Good talk.

pj
chgo

Yeah, good job. I figured a bunch of people would Google flight dynamics and try to explain things like they're experts. You answered nothing.

 

[De420MadHatter]

Quantum Physics, as I know it to be, is another way of defining the physical properties of a Universe. There is a wonderful movie, "Mindwalk", that explains the physical properties of our Universe extremely well. For some it is a boring movie, but for those seeking enlightenment it's a must see. You will watch it more than once!

Yes Jay, but it doesn't exist until you measure it. Think Schrodinger's cat. That was what he was saying. Nothing to define, until you start defining it. The laws of nature start breaking down, and we can't define it. We're trying to though, that is quantum mechanics.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

The problem is, he's not merely referring to the quantum level, but also the macro level.



"I'm not talking just about measuring the earth itself. Ask any pilot if they need to constantly steer the plane downwards, which would be required based on the stated curvature of the earth to keep planes from flying right out into space."



WTF was that, then? Read that paragraph again, please.



"There is nothing physical, including us. We are souls that are decision makers over our avatar characters. The physical world is nothing more than what it is programmed to be. And yes, it has a refresh rate."



This is all conjecture, basically word salad. Prove any of it.



So the "proof" of this theory is that we don't understand everything that happens on the quantum level. We get certain contradictory measurements. Because of this, everything must be fake. I could just as easily say it's magic, or we're in someones dream and it would be equally valid.



My argument was that if this is indeed a simulated existence, it would be far better and more parsimonious to make the measurements or arguments consistent on the macro level. Some general rules rather than 1 quadrillion true/false statements.

As a matter of fact. Miracles are indeed possible in this world and prayer can bring about healing. In fact, focusing intently on someone with the intent to heal them can work too. These are macros things and are unexplainable from the materialist perspective.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prayer.html

 

[De420MadHatter]

The problem is, he's not merely referring to the quantum level, but also the macro level.

"I'm not talking just about measuring the earth itself. Ask any pilot if they need to constantly steer the plane downwards, which would be required based on the stated curvature of the earth to keep planes from flying right out into space."

WTF was that, then? Read that paragraph again, please.

"There is nothing physical, including us. We are souls that are decision makers over our avatar characters. The physical world is nothing more than what it is programmed to be. And yes, it has a refresh rate."

This is all conjecture, basically word salad. Prove any of it.

So the "proof" of this theory is that we don't understand everything that happens on the quantum level. We get certain contradictory measurements. Because of this, everything must be fake. I could just as easily say it's magic, or we're in someones dream and it would be equally valid.

My argument was that if this is indeed a simulated existence, it would be far better and more parsimonious to make the measurements or arguments consistent on the macro level. Some general rules rather than 1 quadrillion true/false statements.

Yeah, you got me on the first one :thumbup:. Missed that.
I don't think FAKE is the word I would use. It's real to me and you.
Also don't see how it would be possible on a macro level.

 

[jay helfert]

Yes Jay, but it doesn't exist until you measure it. Think Schrodinger's cat. That was what he was saying. Nothing to define, until you start defining it. The laws of nature start breaking down, and we can't define it. We're trying to though, that is quantum mechanics.

I get it, thanks. One fallacy I see in our way of measuring things is that the concept of "time" is an artificial measure that man has created. In the physical Universe there is only "space" and "movement". Time is the illusion!

 

[De420MadHatter]

You'd love Mindwalk if you haven't already seen it. You can watch it on the internet. It's impossible to get a copy of it. At least I've never been able to find one anywhere.

I've seen it, along with 100's of others. It can be downloaded as a torrent. Kickass had it before the last crash.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Yes Jay, but it doesn't exist until you measure it. Think Schrodinger's cat. That was what he was saying. Nothing to define, until you start defining it. The laws of nature start breaking down, and we can't define it. We're trying to though, that is quantum mechanics.

A couple good videos to watch on this subject are below. The first video explains the quantum mechanics experiments that basically prove what I'm talking about.

Tom Campbell – Recent Physics Experiment – Virtual Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc

These three videos are similar and explain how deeply embedded in a theory that can be used to describe the universe -- is computer code. And not just any computer code. It's error correcting computer code that we currently use for web browsers.

Computer Code Found Encoded Withing String Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LCVknKUJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E

 

[De420MadHatter]

Since we're digging pretty deep here...some may want to read this book..
------------------------------------------
The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism is a 1975 book by physicist Fritjof Capra. It was a bestseller in the United States and has been published in 43 editions in 23 languages. The fourth edition in English was published in 2000.

The inspiration behind the movie Jay is referring to.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

I get it, thanks. One fallacy I see in our way of measuring things is that the concept of "time" is an artificial measure that man has created. In the physical Universe there is only "space" and "movement". Time is the illusion!

And a proof of this is remote viewing. With the remote viewing technique, right now you can look at any person, place, or event in the present, the past, and you can look into the future as well. The thing about the future is, that since it's not yet fixed, you generally only see what the most probable future is from the point in time that you are viewing it from. However, you can remote view the second most probable future, the third most probable future, etc.

The fact that remote viewing works also proves that our real essence is spirit (or soul). For remote viewing to work, it means that our subconscious (spirit/soul) is outside of time and it not part of this virtual reality matrix that our avatar "bodies" are in.

 

[De420MadHatter]

I get it, thanks. One fallacy I see in our way of measuring things is that the concept of "time" is an artificial measure that man has created. In the physical Universe there is only "space" and "movement". Time is the illusion!

Actually without time you have no space or movement. Time and space are one in the same. Time is as real as space, it is not and illusion, it wasn't created by man. We gave it a name, broke it down so we could understand it, but certainly didn't create it.

 

[jay helfert]

A couple good videos to watch on this subject are below. The first video explains the quantum mechanics experiments that basically prove what I'm talking about.

Tom Campbell – Recent Physics Experiment – Virtual Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_RwcGzGurc

These three videos are similar and explain how deeply embedded in a theory that can be used to describe the universe -- is computer code. And not just any computer code. It's error correcting computer code that we currently use for web browsers.

Computer Code Found Encoded Withing String Theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LCVknKUJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E

My personal theory of the Universe is that it is one living entity! Our Universe is a life form far beyond our capacity to understand. Just like we are a Universe to whatever transpires on the billions of atoms inside each of our bodies. Circles inside of circles, inside of circles, and on and on. You may have noticed the similarities between the configuration of an atom and a solar system. Not quite the same, but not all that much different. And the individual galaxies could be likened to molecules which are the building blocks of all life forms.

But I'm a weird guy, so that's true too. Many years ago, before they were "discovered" I said to some of my friends that there had to be other planets out there revolving around the stars we are seeing. This is called Empirical Knowlege, deducing that something must be true without valid proof yet. I also say there are millions (maybe billions) of life forms in the Universe and we may never, in the lifetime of man, ever contact any of them! We are puny, small creatures on a tiny planet, with limited resources to expand or explore beyond our own planet or solar system. All we can do now is think about it!

2001 remains the greatest movie ever made!

 

[jay helfert]

Actually without time you have no space or movement. Time and space are one in the same. Time is as real as space, it is not and illusion, it wasn't created by man. We gave it a name, broke it down so we could understand it, but certainly didn't create it.

Not entirely true. You have space and movement whether it's being measured or not. We are the ones who attributed a measurement to it! That is the "time" that I'm talking about. Our seconds, minutes, weeks, months and years, might be mere instants to another form of life. Even on our planet, our life span is a blip in the life of a giant redwood tree.

Think about it. There's 'Space' and the 'Movement' of objects through that space. These two things are physical realities. "Time" as we know it is a way of measuring the movement and as such is an illusion we created for our own convenience. An observer of our Universe does not see "time" anywhere, does he?

 

[Get_A_Grip]

My personal theory of the Universe is that it is one living entity! Our Universe is a life form far beyond our capacity to understand. Just like we are a Universe to whatever transpires on the billions of atoms inside each of our bodies. Circles inside of circles, inside of circles, and on and on. You may have noticed the similarities between the configuration of an atom and a solar system. Not quite the same, but not all that much different. And the individual galaxies could be likened to molecules which are the building blocks of all life forms.

But I'm a weird guy, so that's true too. Many years ago, before they were "discovered" I said to some of my friends that there had to be other planets out there revolving around the stars we are seeing. This is called Empirical Knowlege, deducing that something must be true without valid proof yet. I also say there are millions (maybe billions) of life forms in the Universe and we may never, in the lifetime of man, ever contact any of them! We are puny, small creatures on a tiny planet, with limited resources to expand or explore beyond our own planet or solar system. All we can do now is think about it!

2001 remains the greatest movie ever made!

I think much truth is in fact hidden within movies. The Matrix being one. The movie Inception is another. Since consciousness is really what is the most fundamental thing, not particles, it's almost as if -- if our minds can imagine something -- then it's possible to bring that into being in our virtual reality world.

So don't be surprised in the not too distant future if we all start using totally new forms of energy (antigravitics) and flying cars.


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[jay helfert]

I think much truth is in fact hidden within movies. The Matrix being one. The movie Inception is another. Since consciousness is really what is the most fundamental thing, not particles, it's almost as if -- if our minds can imagine something -- then it's possible to bring that into being in our virtual reality world.

So don't be surprised in the not too distant future if we all start using totally new forms of energy (antigravitics) and flying cars.


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We should have "flying cars" by the turn of the next century, or sooner. I suspect they will be small pods that we can step into and tell the destination where we want them to go, and the pod will do the rest. They may well be a very simple adaptation of the drones we are using now, a small vehicle propelled by propellers on the top or underside. With full computer controls of course that negotiate our path through the sky and avoid other pods. Initially we may have to "drive" them ourselves. Just remember this, there is a lot more room up there then on the streets we are using now. There won't be any traffic jams in the sky, just an occasional fatal accident once in a while. There will always be the danger of drunk or reckless drivers. That is the nature of Man. :wink:

 

[jay helfert]

I think much truth is in fact hidden within movies. The Matrix being one. The movie Inception is another. Since consciousness is really what is the most fundamental thing, not particles, it's almost as if -- if our minds can imagine something -- then it's possible to bring that into being in our virtual reality world.

So don't be surprised in the not too distant future if we all start using totally new forms of energy (antigravitics) and flying cars.


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100 years ago, the idea of world wide television and cell phones was a ridiculous concept. 125 years ago, the concept of jet flight was preposterous and a trip to the moon a fantasy. We are pretty clever rats!
Did you know that only 500 years ago, mirrors were thought to be magical creations that could see into a different dimension? A man who know how to make a mirror was not allowed to leave the kingdom he lived in, for fear of his knowledge being stolen.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

100 years ago, the idea of world wide television and cell phones was a ridiculous concept. 125 years ago, the concept of jet flight was preposterous and a trip to the moon a fantasy. We are pretty clever rats!
Did you know that only 500 years ago, mirrors were thought to be magical creations that could see into a different dimension? A man who know how to make a mirror was not allowed to leave the kingdom he lived in, for fear of his knowledge being stolen.

From what I've been studying, I think the military is already much more advanced than most people can imagine.

The new forms of energy and transportation already exist in the black, top secret world. I know that quiet a few people are aware of our secret space program.

Trump has said that he wants some of the technology released. So the first step was to create a Space Force that is transparent to the public -- even though we already have reverse engineered craft from the "other" beings that are here.

Much of the technology existed a long time ago and was shared with humans. In fact, there is quite a bit of stuff that we've already found in Antarctica. How do I know? I was tipped off to certain books and remote viewing of course.

I should point out, there are some books that are only allowed to be published if they are published as Fiction. But in reality, they include all the facts. Check out the book, Raising Atlantis by Thomas Greanias.


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[jay helfert]

From what I've been studying, I think the military is already much more advanced than most people can imagine.

The new forms of energy and transportation already exist in the black, top secret world. I know that quiet a few people are aware of our secret space program.

Trump has said that he wants some of the technology released. So the first step was to create a Space Force that is transparent to the public -- even though we already have reverse engineered craft from the "other" beings that are here.

Much of the technology existed a long time ago and was shared with humans. In fact, there is quite a bit of stuff that we've already found in Antarctica. How do I know? I was tipped off to certain books and remote viewing of course.

I should point out, there are some books that are only allowed to be published if they are published as Fiction. But in reality, they include all the facts. Check out the book, Raising Atlantis by Thomas Greanias.


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I had a funny experience a long time ago when I lived in Dayton, Ohio, where I grew up. My father, who, was an M.D., often gave annual physicals to the officers at Wright Patterson AFB in nearby Fairborn, Ohio. He took me with him one year when I was a boy of about 9 or 10. I remember walking into then this large building with lots of stuff going on behind closed doors, and guys walking in and out of them and up and down the hallway. We were taken to a medical room and my father prepared for the exams while I sat there.

Once the officers starting coming in to wait their turn, no one paid any more attention to me. I was always a curious kid and I wandered into the next room, where I saw all kinds of fancy machinery, none of which I understood. Remember, I was probably in the fifth grade then, but a pretty bright kid nonetheless. I could already read a college textbook and understand it!

I wandered through that room mesmerized by all the interesting looking stuff and there wasn't anyone else in there except me. I kept going from one room to the next, and even the people working in there didn't notice me. I was probably trying to stay undetected. The last room I went into had what looked like the gurneys I had seen my dad work on patients on, and there was something on one of them covered by a sheet. It may have been the body of a dead soldier (this was Korean War era). That I will never know. What I do know is that a large man in uniform came in quickly and scared me to death. He grabbed me and pulled me out of the room forcibly. He asked me what I was doing there, and I told about about my dad. He walked me down the hall (holding me tightly by the shoulder all the way) to where my dad was working and brought me back inside and told me to sit down and stay put, in the same area where the officers were waiting to see my dad.

He scared the shit out of me and I didn't budge out of that chair until my dad was done. I don't think I ever told my dad about it, but I never forgot that experience and wondered what was going on in there. Years later I heard that maybe the creatures from Roswell had been brought to Wright Pat and it made me curious. Not a great story, but that's all I remember, the big guy who grabbed me and scared me to death. :smile: