You and me both. Bar box pool is to real pool what flag football is to the NFL. Thank God we can still watch the real thing being played by Europeans and Asians. There's nothing more frustrating than to see the top U.S.pros continually choosing bar box tournaments over trying to compete in the best international tournaments with their foreign rivals. I know it's a matter of not having sponsor money, but it'd sure be nice to see more than 3 or 4 Americans (if even that) in a list of the top 50 players in the world. Personally I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a bar box tournament, no matter who was in it.
What's wrong with our sport as I see it, and how to correct it.
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You and me both. Bar box pool is to real pool what flag football is to the NFL. Thank God we can still watch the real thing being played by Europeans and Asians. There's nothing more frustrating than to see the top U.S.pros continually choosing bar box tournaments over trying to compete in the best international tournaments with their foreign rivals. I know it's a matter of not having sponsor money, but it'd sure be nice to see more than 3 or 4 Americans (if even that) in a list of the top 50 players in the world. Personally I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a bar box tournament, no matter who was in it.
Without a distinction between Pros and Amateurs, that'll never happen here.
Without a program to support 9ft tables, and the need for them, they're continually going to lose out to bar tables and continue to decline in their presence, which is why I stated the fact that we have no event centers in this sport, when we need them so badly. The elite players in this sport, particularly in this country, need their own event centers with which to play in, broadcast from, and compete against the world in. Yet, at the same time, the event centers can be converted to support the many, many amateur events that are to big to be hosted by the bar industry alone, that crossover use of the event centers is where the amateur players get to meet with the Pro players, and can see first hand how the pros really play, and hopefully start to recognize who some of them are after a while. And don't forget there's always the possibility of matching up female world champions against male world champions as well as the battle of the sexes by having events that compete 64 women's pros against 64 male pros, that WILL draw viewers as well from around the world if there's a way for the viewers to watch.
What players are you refering to?
The image of the players. The way they dress. How they conduct themselves. The gambling.
Pool is not like other sports. It never evolved. Actually in many ways it digressed.
Nobody has any interest outside of the pool community in sponsoring someone wearing a t-shirt playing in what you would refer to as a professional sport. The image is all wrong. It never matured. It’s still a game of gambling, drinking, smoking, 6am drives home.
I don’t care how much glue money you put in. You have to change the image first and good luck with that. The collard shirts tucked in and slacks are long gone in this sport.
It’s the players!
Trust me as I live and breath, if there was money to be made in pool, it would have been made.
Love to see you try. Although as far as the top players....you need to leave a half dozen spots open for up and coming pros. Qualifying is not by shooting certain shots to validate your skill but, by having such players “place” in open qualifying tournaments. Say 12 events a year that amateur players can qualify by being in the top 3. Those player earn a seat in the field. Then you keep it fresh and progressive.
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Pool is not like other sports. It never evolved. Actually in many ways it digressed.
Nobody has any interest outside of the pool community in sponsoring someone wearing a t-shirt playing in what you would refer to as a professional sport. The image is all wrong. It never matured. It’s still a game of gambling, drinking, smoking, 6am drives home.
I don’t care how much glue money you put in. You have to change the image first and good luck with that. The collard shirts tucked in and slacks are long gone in this sport.
It’s the players!
Trust me as I live and breath, if there was money to be made in pool, it would have been made.
Love to see you try. Although as far as the top players....you need to leave a half dozen spots open for up and coming pros. Qualifying is not by shooting certain shots to validate your skill but, by having such players “place” in open qualifying tournaments. Say 12 events a year that amateur players can qualify by being in the top 3. Those player earn a seat in the field. Then you keep it fresh and progressive.
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I like the quote better with this alteration.
..and of course with you being the benevolent dictator appointed by the owners who set
the rules, the dictator is the tie breaker. There are a few other details to work out
but once you have the concept, the game that draws, the why people will dispense with
their money and time for a game of billiards, it all looks good.
Hmmm, well, I would attribute most of what you just stated to a couple of reasons, 1) being, hard to put a player in the penalty box so to speak to get the point of the rules across clear as day...if they have NO pay to lose as a penalty. 2) if you're not paying the pros worth a shit, don't expect them to stand up and represent a sport that DON'T support paying them. 3) it's hard to represent this sport as professionals if the pros are forced to play against amateurs who have to be let in to play because their dead money entry fees are needed to build a pot of payouts worth while showing up for. 4) until there's repeat pros playing in monthly events, nothing has changed. 5) the ONLY way I'd support any amateurs playing against the pros is if the amateur pay an entry fee, that only get paid out after the first round loss of players. An example would be 16 pros are playing in a monthly event, ALL being paid, even they lose their first match. NOW if 16 amateur players want to play against the pros, that's great, but they'll be required to pay a $100 entry fee, their names to play will be randomly drawn, and each of the amateurs will be matched up with a pro in their first match, which pays nothing if a player loses the first match then, and will be required to play under the same tournament rules as the pros, race to 21, single elimination format, AND they must be actively participating in the BTRT competition format, no different than the pros. ALL $1,600 of their entry fees get paid out equally to the remaining 16 players still in the event after the first round loss!
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I have an absolute argument on every point. Are you open to hearing them?
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Sure, go ahead...LOL
Just curious here but when is the projected start date of this new "Magical Mystery Tour"? 2020? 2022? 2025? If i was to bet on this i'd wager that the next U.S. pro pool tour(if it happens) will be run by someone with a British accent. And its not just one person either. There's another UK guy that may do it as well.
I didn't want to put it that way, but you're right!
More than likely after next summer!
I guarantee you, no one is going step up and pay all the pros playing in any pro tour stop 100% and not without seeking some kind of sponsorship, so I'm not worried about anyone else wanting to lay claims to a pro tour, who ever draws the players will support the pro tour stop.
If you're refering to Darren, good luck.
Let me finish dinner. At Benihana with family. I will get to it and give you my constructive criticism. I want you to succeed. I just think you need a slightly different angle.
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Sure thing, or you can just call me, 702-927-5689
I wouldn’t mind calling you but, this is a public forum and it was addressed publicly. I want to address it in the public. With respect. I will respond. You are an intellectual so you will get that respect. Going to play a money match. Any side bets. I am one off he Des that get public claps in a public hall.
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It's 100 percent absolutely about money. Nothing substantial has ever been invested in pool for any length of time. You have to create the demand and there is only one way to do it, and that with is a multi million dollar investment over a period of years.
is that a problem? and if so, why would it be