Sly / harris

Black-Balled said:
At what time is it appropriate to share the work involves components of others?

I think it has been common knowledge for a long time that many cues are made with schmelke, prather, valley, dufferin parts.
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I agree with your statement.

ALSO, lets not forget the OP said he was very happy with the cue. So in the end he got what he wanted. There is actually no problem.

What happened to liking what you buy and it came out great but this is the pool industry and everyone is so focused on artificial values of their cues that is inflated by our very own.
 
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ShootingHank said:
I agree with your statement.

ALSO, lets not forget the OP said he was very happy with the cue. So in the end he got what he wanted. There is actually no problem.
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Uhh, no, he did not get what he wanted. He ordered a Sly cue and received a Harris cue. Again, no one disputes the fact that Harris makes a great cue. It's obvious by the fact that other cue makers are farming out work to him and claiming as their own.

ShootingHank said:
What happened to liking what you buy and it came out great but this is the pool industry and everyone is so focused on artificial values of their cues that is inflated by our very own.
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Nothing is wrong with buying what you like; or, liking what you received. Some times these aren't the same thing.

Furthermore, your concept of "private label" will never hold water in the cue world. This isn't watches, the care industry, or any other manufacturing. Like it or not, these are pieces of functional art. Try to buy a Patek Philippe for the same price as a the private label watch called Dagaz (which outsources its components, such as Seiko movements). One is functional art, the other is watch.

And, I'll avoid your cues the same way I avoided Bama Cues private label cues because he refused to name his maker.

Your cues will be inexpensive with zero resale value. They wont be art, they'll be a pool stick. Your mileage may vary.

Josh
 
ShootingHank said:
I don't need explanation because the reality is not everything has to be made by one cue maker while I'm sure one does. You have this romanticism about cue making by believing that Cue Maker ABC makes all their parts.

- Grow their own wood
- Dry it
- Grow their own elephants (example)
- Mill their own pins....etc...etc...
- Press their leather tips

You need to step back with your emotion like some cue maker is doing all this when I basically stated all parts came from somewhere and I don't have a problem with private labeling or collaborations between cue makers.

Your comprehension of my response is obviously blinded by your romanticism of cue making.
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Again, you have no idea what you are talking about or what I know about cues.

You just look silly.
Jason
 
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Not buying either of these guys cues. That’s where I put my money. Both come of as shady. Both are probably guilty in one way or another. But either being truthful. That how I judge it.


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ThinSlice said:
Not buying either of these guys cues. That’s where I put my money. Both come of as shady. Both are probably guilty in one way or another. But either being truthful. That how I judge it.


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No different than having a shop employee.

Collaboration.

Private label.

These cue makers are a tight knit. I think people have seen the cue maker round table video. They went in depths about it. There are definitely industry secrets like all industries in this world.

I don’t have a problem since the end consumer (OP) has said he is very happy regardless.
 
ShootingHank said:
No different than having a shop employee. Differences I see....Equipment it's made on........direct supervision.........is the building of the internal parts of the cue the same......wood it's made from.

Collaboration. It's know up front, not after the purchase.

Private label. Try and resale a Bama cue.

These cue makers are a tight knit. I think people have seen the cue maker round table video. They went in depths about it. There are definitely industry secrets like all industries in this world.

I don’t have a problem since the end consumer (OP) has said he is very happy regardless.
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Wait till the OP tries to resale it, and see if he's still happy. Or if he could have gotten the same cue from Harris for 50% less.
 
FWIW, I think this thread should be in the "Cue Maker" forum to see how many cue makers will jump in and give their "two cents worth" on the subject.

If I am buying a "high dollar" custom cue from a "name" cue maker, I expect that "named" cue maker to do MOST of the work on the cue. I know that lots of cue makers have "helpers", but that would be my ideal situation for selecting the maker in the first place.

If the "helper" is doing 100% of the work, then "I" would consider the cue as a "helper" cue and not a "name" cue, by the person who I selected and thought was making my cue.

I have no problem with "blanks". I love John Davis blanks. I have no problem with a "name" maker using another "name" blank, as long as I know it is going in.
 
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Black-Balled said:
Why did you start another thread about this issue? It is nice to have like posts posted together.

Then it would have been easier to quote the sly guy who wants wool over your eye.

Regardless as to who made it, if you like it, it is good.

Of course, if Harris made it...you overpaid by some measures,
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On the contrary. If the story is true, it's everyone that owns a Sly cue that overpaid! Sounds to me like Harris is a true craftsman who can actually BUILD a cue, rather than assemble parts. He also sounds a bit eccentric. All my friends are eccentric, as am I. Life is boring without some spice, lol. I'd be proud to play with a Harris cue, laughing at the idiots who paid double for cues with some assemblers name on them.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
On the contrary. If the story is true, it's everyone that owns a Sly cue that overpaid! Sounds to me like Harris is a true craftsman who can actually BUILD a cue, rather than assemble parts. He also sounds a bit eccentric. All my friends are eccentric, as am I. Life is boring without some spice, lol. I'd be proud to play with a Harris cue, laughing at the idiots who paid double for cues with some assemblers name on them.
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To be fair, it didnt sound like Harris made all his cues, just a few. Doesnt look like we will ever get the real answer though.

You can bet a few people know but aren't telling.
Jason
 
Those Harris cues sure had long points and veneer colors that popped. Kind of like allot like McSly's for half the price. But you could not give away Harris' cues because of his whacked rant's and incoherent posts.

-Kat,
 
ShootingHank said:
You finally figured out what industry secrets are.

Good job my son.
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That's not what I'm saying at all.

Again, you have NO idea what you are talking about.

I'm saying people know the real story behind this disgrace but aren't saying because they have $$$ on the line or are friends with him.

You say the most insane shit I've ever heard.
Jason
 
If a restaurant has USDA prime steak listed on it's menu and is charging top USDA prime steak prices but is actually serving cheap horse meat instead, is that restaurant guilty of illegal misrepresentation and false advertising, or merely exercising trade secrets cleverly? What about a quack pretending to be a doctor, a forged signature on a check, or Bernie Madoff's investment firm? Trade secrets also?

I hope that you are only joking and having a blast laughing at us all...really hope so.
 
jimmyg said:
If a restaurant has USDA prime steak listed on it's menu and is charging top USDA prime steak prices but is actually serving cheap horse meat instead, is that restaurant guilty of illegal misrepresentation and false advertising, or merely exercising trade secrets cleverly? What about a quack pretending to be a doctor, a forged signature on a check, or Bernie Madoff's investment firm? Trade secrets also?

I hope that you are only joking and having a blast laughing at us all...really hope so.
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Was thinking the same thing lol. Either way, I have nothing to do, so I'll just keep responding whenever I feel like it:D
Jason
 
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