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$250 to share time amoungst 8 over 4 hrs is bad math for "learning purposes"
many top pros will give you 2-4 hrs one on one for $250
you have to understand the dynamics of these types of seminars
many top pros will give you 2-4 hrs one on one for $250
you have to understand the dynamics of these types of seminars
About 6:40 and again at 20 minutes.
Yes Lou, At some point a real good sit down next to a table is the best thing. For most looking at mechanics and form it isn't the best bang.
If you're beyond learning stance bridge and stroke (regardless if mastered) a real good sitdown conversation would be an incredible lesson.
I'd pay well for that but it would be Jaspers, Caudron, Merkz, Ceulemans, .................................
Wanna learn the CB?
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Personally I don't think the price is too bad, if you're into group lessons. To me that seems like a giant waste. In such a group there is always someone who takes up 80% of the time with nonsense questions. Then you have to watch others try and fail things you could easily do, while the things you want to discuss get overlooked. You have to push and hound to get any attention at all. I don't like that. That being said, I'd like to hear some of Earls insights, but preferably one on one.
Then there are the people wanting "professional" instructors. I don't care much for them, either. They have some standardized boiler plate thing they are going to push you through, come hell or high water. Then off into the van and on to the next mark.
What I'd recommend is someone with passion for the game, whom you know or at least can build a personal relationship with. Someone who wants you to succeed, and that you can come back to for more lessons and questions. I believe strongly in personalized instruction, that targets your weaknesses specifically, and I believe in passionate instructors. It's always best to get to someone before they turn "professional"and cynical. But of course for the highest level insights, the final polish on patterns etc. a pro PLAYER is the only way to go. No B player is going to give you that, because they don't know it, and even if they did, they can't properly demonstrate it.
Then there are the people wanting "professional" instructors. I don't care much for them, either. They have some standardized boiler plate thing they are going to push you through, come hell or high water. Then off into the van and on to the next mark.
What I'd recommend is someone with passion for the game, whom you know or at least can build a personal relationship with. Someone who wants you to succeed, and that you can come back to for more lessons and questions. I believe strongly in personalized instruction, that targets your weaknesses specifically, and I believe in passionate instructors. It's always best to get to someone before they turn "professional"and cynical. But of course for the highest level insights, the final polish on patterns etc. a pro PLAYER is the only way to go. No B player is going to give you that, because they don't know it, and even if they did, they can't properly demonstrate it.
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Please tell me you're not saying Ray Martin can't move the CB around well enough to play great rotation games.
Lou Figueroa
I have no clue what you're talking about.
I was doing all the shooting and occasionally we'd pause for a few moments to talk something over and a story would come up.
Lou Figueroa
The things with instructors -- to generalize -- is that they come with a lesson plan that they want to teach you.
The thing about a lesson with a champion is that they will teach you whatever you want because they know all aspects of the game. In both the case of Dallas West and Ray Martin they asked me, "What are we doing today?" IOWs, they wanted to know what *I* wanted to know. And then occasionally we'd drift into other things.
If you have a guy with handouts, you're signing up for their agenda, not yours.
Lou Figueroa
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I’ve taken several clinics over my life in multiple sports.Group clinics suck and IMHO waste too much time on the worst of the bunch and will have one blowhard try to be the star of the clinic and dominate most of the time with me me me I I I stories and questions.
No, of course not. I'm sure he can play it all.
I agree.
If I were to take a lesson, it would have to be one on one.
I'm not spending my money and standing around watching somebody try to fix somebody else's pool problems.
Also, the time would have to be spent on something that I don't already know how to or can't do.
One of the things that most interests me is how and why certain players pick the shots they do. When watching online and listening to the pool "commentators" (some of who are respected pros), I find myself "picking out" what the player is going to do more often than the commentators do.
I think a lot of it has to do with "table time". If you have played enough games and years, you "see" things that others may not. Some routes may be "simpler", but they may not be "most preferred" by the more experienced player.
Safeties are another thing that I think more people should learn. Most people don't know when or how to play safeties. They usually wait until they get into trouble or they have no choice, when a lot of times it is best to play a safety right off the bat (even with a open shot) when it will give you a better shot and table layout next time you are at the table.
If you are just learning the "basics" (stance, bridge, etc.), you may be better off starting out with someone less expensive and working your way up to somebody better after you have progressed.
I agree 100%.
My wife got me one of these slots for XMAS...very excited but do not know what to expect. Should be really fun though, can't wait. Will report back, probably on the instructors page about how it went.
CJ has a lot of knowledge and hopefully you will pick some of it up.
He teaches some things (TOI, for example) that a lot of people don't agree with: however, I think it is one of the best things you will ever learn and nobody else teaches it.
I have never taken a lesson from him, but I have played with him on his visits to Hawaii. If he ever offers lessons on his future visits, I'd be interested, just to pick his brain a bit.
Please do give us a review when your lesson is over and tell CJ I said "aloha".
I was disagreeing with your premise that he isn't as likely to be able to help very advanced level players. I'm saying those the types of players he's most likely to help the most!
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