REALLY???? So pool rules are all about "personal freedom"???? Sound like the people defending cell-phone usage in cars. Heaven forbid a pool rule might slow "world progression". A little side-bar: I showed a lady at the 'hall how to jump in about 15min. How to kick?? She doesn't get it and may never get it. Infinitely harder to kick effectively than just pulling out 'ol shorty and hopping it.
Let's Make Jump Sticks, Tite Racks Illegal
- Thread starter Bobkitty
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Well start a poll
in the old days people used to have a good reason to start a thread. that's how it was meant to be. my how the times have changed.
I have a better idea for usage of the jump cue, but sadly, it's NEVER going to happen: For 8-ball and all rotation games, make the shooter call a safety if that is what he intends to do. If successful....then no jump cue can be used. If no safety is called and the shooter misses a shot and accidentally hooks his/her opponent then a jump cue would be allowed. If a shooter makes a ball and accidently hooks him/herself, then absolutely no jump cue can be used. What is so hard about implementing this?
As far for the rack, this is my opinion (at least for professional tournaments): Have pre-recruited, higher level league players from the tournament area come in and rack the balls for both players....and NO asking for a re-rack (although the rack may be inspected by the breaker). After inspection, if the player does not like the rack, he may offer to the opponent if he/she wants to break it. If the non-breaker chooses not to break, then the original breaker must break the balls as is.This would literally put an end to all break wars/arguments. You could have enough league players so they may rotate in and out and offer them free VIP seating to watch the matches they are not racking for. I'm fairly sure they could find plenty of volunteers for the job. I would love to do it.
Don't these ideas make sense?
Maniac
It's a pool forum, and frankly, it's tough these days to discuss something that hasn't already been discussed ad nauseum.
Then you have new members that have never seen the older threads concerning a subject that he/she would like answers for, and I can't fault them for that (search function or not).
Even with that there are products/methods that have been improved or tweaked over the years and could have a place in the Main Forum to be discussed again.
Like people have said many times on this forum....if you don't like the title of a thread, then don't open it.
Maniac (likes ALL threads)
Stop trying to put words in my mouth. You said all of that. I dont agree with your comparison. I am not for texting and driving. I am for people doing what they want with out persecution for it. Kick and Jump sounds like the right path for me, hey, I DO BOTH! :thumbup:
Trent from Toledo
I'll be 50 in March and I'm good with them...
Anyone can start a poll; here's how: https://forums.azbilliards.com/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=polls&match=all&titlesonly=0
[not that we need another one on this topic]
No spaces wires the corner ball. Most "rack mechanics" are nothing other than people who bothered to learn to rack the balls tightly.
KMRUNOUT
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Yes, you are correct!!!
But, the OP is not one of them but he "seemingly" (to me) thinks he has a right to speak "for them"!!!!
Ahhhhhh, but you will not hear chit about this because that means the OP would have to be proficient in kicking.... or at least claim he is and then run.
The closer analogy, IMO, is the sand wedge. And that's not going anywhere.
Freddie <~~~ thank you Gene (and Pat)
I think you mean square grooves on a sand wedge, which by the way were banned five years ago.
Meanwhile snooker banned jump shots in like 1954.
I wonder how those two sports are making out in comparison to pool?
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I think that Fred means the invention of the sand iron or sand wedge credited to Gene Sarazen back in 1935.
You are way off on the square groove ban as well.
1) Jump cues are great great for the industry.
In snooker for example a player may own 1 or 2 cues their entire playing life...in American pool, even most amateurs get through more than that in just a few years. The industry needs innovation and new equipment to exist.
2) Jump cues are great for tv.
Well, jumping, rather than jump cues, but its (almost the same point). Jump shots make any highlights real and add tension at events like the Mosconi Cup. In order to attract a fan base pool needs to create a niche away from the established snooker world and going more traditional and less dynamic is absolutely not the way to do it!
3) Jump shots don't actually come up that much.
I suspect I use my jump cue on average maybe once every 50 racks or so (and I might be over estimating). They don't really influence the game that much, they are just another option for players.
Personally I will decide to kick or jump based on a) which is the higher % chance of me hitting the ball and b) what is likely to provide the best outcome if I do make a legal contact. In most cases, its actually the kick, but if its a dead straight shot, having to jump over 1 ball and I have a chance to pocket a ball...then I'll probably jump!
4) Jump cues force better safety.
With modern jump cues, you really have to get tight in behind a ball (or cluster) to take away the option of a jump. If you leave your opponent a chance to jump, its just the same as not getting a full snooker (or hook I think you guys say), its not the person jumping who's at fault...
5) Jump cues aren't that easy.
Well they sort of are, but if you watch a the pro's play you'll notice some favour jumping more, some don't. If it was that easy, they'd all reach for the jump cue straight away, but in % terms, often the kick is the better shot. The jump may provide an easy hit, but that doesn't make it the right shot. To get a good connection and good position when jumping is a difficult skill to master!
Most of those points (probably all actually), are points others have already made on this thread, but I think they are a good summary of why jump cues aren't going anywhere and why they shouldn't.
As for racking...speed and consistency are all that matter. Triangles, templates or tapped tables, it doesn't really matter...but consistency across multiple tournaments would be a good thing (I think World snooker uses exactly the same triangle for every event for example...why doesn't the WPA dictate any sanctioned event has you use a specific method of racking)!
In snooker for example a player may own 1 or 2 cues their entire playing life...in American pool, even most amateurs get through more than that in just a few years. The industry needs innovation and new equipment to exist.
2) Jump cues are great for tv.
Well, jumping, rather than jump cues, but its (almost the same point). Jump shots make any highlights real and add tension at events like the Mosconi Cup. In order to attract a fan base pool needs to create a niche away from the established snooker world and going more traditional and less dynamic is absolutely not the way to do it!
3) Jump shots don't actually come up that much.
I suspect I use my jump cue on average maybe once every 50 racks or so (and I might be over estimating). They don't really influence the game that much, they are just another option for players.
Personally I will decide to kick or jump based on a) which is the higher % chance of me hitting the ball and b) what is likely to provide the best outcome if I do make a legal contact. In most cases, its actually the kick, but if its a dead straight shot, having to jump over 1 ball and I have a chance to pocket a ball...then I'll probably jump!
4) Jump cues force better safety.
With modern jump cues, you really have to get tight in behind a ball (or cluster) to take away the option of a jump. If you leave your opponent a chance to jump, its just the same as not getting a full snooker (or hook I think you guys say), its not the person jumping who's at fault...
5) Jump cues aren't that easy.
Well they sort of are, but if you watch a the pro's play you'll notice some favour jumping more, some don't. If it was that easy, they'd all reach for the jump cue straight away, but in % terms, often the kick is the better shot. The jump may provide an easy hit, but that doesn't make it the right shot. To get a good connection and good position when jumping is a difficult skill to master!
Most of those points (probably all actually), are points others have already made on this thread, but I think they are a good summary of why jump cues aren't going anywhere and why they shouldn't.
As for racking...speed and consistency are all that matter. Triangles, templates or tapped tables, it doesn't really matter...but consistency across multiple tournaments would be a good thing (I think World snooker uses exactly the same triangle for every event for example...why doesn't the WPA dictate any sanctioned event has you use a specific method of racking)!
If you mean I'm off with respect to the timing of it, then yes, you're right. They were banned for good in 2010.
However square grooves and belly putters are to golf what jump cues are to pool, no question.
People need to bear in mind that pool already had a jump cue ban back in the early 90's when they got rid of anything shorter than 40", and pretty much everyone agreed at the time that this was the correct move. The super short and 'gas powered' jump cues they used back then made it where you could pretty much hop over anything.
The only question is whether the new designs and particularly the new tip material has had the same type of impact on the game as the jumpers did in the 'sub 40 inch' era. I think the answer is pretty clearly yes.
No, I am talking about the introduction of the Sand Wedge from Gene Sarazan in the 1930's. There were sand wedges before and after Sarazan's, but his became the de facto standard. They were clearly invented to make getting out of the sand hazard much easier. In other words, players could buy the skill necessary to get out of the sand trap easier.
It it is *exactly* the correct analogy.
Freddie