Digicue Blue. Guys are Afraid to Know?

jeephawk said:
Obviously, if it helps someone improve they should use it, but it seems like it may be far from the universal aid it is touted to be.
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Yes, it is not an "aid". It only shows the faults. Someone will have to figure out why themselves or go to an instructor. If someone likes Jason Shaw's stroke and his results on Digicue Blue, they can measure their own faults and try to fix it. Totally up to them. I'm trying to fix mine. Thought other pool players might also.
 
Prairie dog said:
Yes, it is not an "aid". It only shows the faults. Someone will have to figure out why themselves or go to an instructor. If someone likes Jason Shaw's stroke and his results on Digicue Blue, they can measure their own faults and try to fix it. Totally up to them. I'm trying to fix mine. Thought other pool players might also.
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I think you put some people back on their heels by saying they are afraid to use the device because they don't want to know the truth. Having said that, what it comes down to for me is this: Is a straight stroke important or not? I look at what the cue is doing (not what movements they player is making, just the cue) when the best players stroke the cue and I have to conclude that a straight stroke is important and worth trying to achieve. This is confirmed in my own play and, I have to say, it is kind of common sense.

If a player has grooved a funky stroke that happens to be perfect at the time it hits the cue ball AND it is perfect no matter how hard you hit the ball, then maybe you don't need to "fix" your stroke. I think few fall into that category.

There is something that I think is being missed here as well. People talk about whether the ball goes in the pocket and you get the cue ball where you want it, so what else could you want? My reply is, "Are you sure the cue ball is going where you want it to go"? If you set up certain mirror image type shots you may well find that the cue ball goes in different directions by two or three ball widths over a short distance depending on whether you are cutting the ball left or right. This can be a perception problem and it can also be a stroke problem. The point is your position play may be suffering more than you realize due to a small stroke defect.

I've been holding off on the Digicue because I had a bad experience with another brand, and I've managed pretty well with other technologies, but it sounds like the Digicue Blue works pretty well. Maybe I'll go ahead and just pick one up.

I think it is a hard argument to make if you are trying to say that technology isn't a good thing overall.
 
Dan White said:
I think you put some people back on their heels by saying they are afraid to use the device because they don't want to know the truth. Having said that, what it comes down to for me is this: Is a straight stroke important or not? I look at what the cue is doing (not what movements they player is making, just the cue) when the best players stroke the cue and I have to conclude that a straight stroke is important and worth trying to achieve. This is confirmed in my own play and, I have to say, it is kind of common sense.

If a player has grooved a funky stroke that happens to be perfect at the time it hits the cue ball AND it is perfect no matter how hard you hit the ball, then maybe you don't need to "fix" your stroke. I think few fall into that category.

There is something that I think is being missed here as well. People talk about whether the ball goes in the pocket and you get the cue ball where you want it, so what else could you want? My reply is, "Are you sure the cue ball is going where you want it to go"? If you set up certain mirror image type shots you may well find that the cue ball goes in different directions by two or three ball widths over a short distance depending on whether you are cutting the ball left or right. This can be a perception problem and it can also be a stroke problem. The point is your position play may be suffering more than you realize due to a small stroke defect.

I've been holding off on the Digicue because I had a bad experience with another brand, and I've managed pretty well with other technologies, but it sounds like the Digicue Blue works pretty well. Maybe I'll go ahead and just pick one up.

I think it is a hard argument to make if you are trying to say that technology isn't a good thing overall.
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Great post. All I meant to write was that there are many pool players that would not want to try a device that would show their faults in the stroke. "Scared" was the wrong word to use. Lou is probably one of those. I'm guessing if someone on the next table had one and offered it to Lou, he would not want to see whether he had faults or not. Not picking on him but I'm just guessing here from his posts. Could be totally wrong here and if so I apologize. Just using him as an example of people that would not want to know.
 
Prairie dog said:
Great post. All I meant to write was that there are many pool players that would not want to try a device that would show their faults in the stroke. "Scared" was the wrong word to use. Lou is probably one of those. I'm guessing if someone on the next table had one and offered it to Lou, he would not want to see whether he had faults or not. Not picking on him but I'm just guessing here from his posts. Could be totally wrong here and if so I apologize. Just using him as an example of people that would not want to know.
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Lets see some video of you runnin racks

All this talk about help and do this and see this instructor.

I wanna know if you can actually play pool and SEE IT.

You continually post, lets see you play the damned game. :)

Trent from Toledo
 
I wouldn't pay that kind of money for something that could possibly be obsolete in a short time. Unless OB offered some type of trade-in.

The Digicue sold for $100, then comes Digicue Blue and OB is selling the original for less than $30.

I understand that is the nature of tech. But that is also why I would not buy one.
 
Trent, he continually ignores the polite ask to post video of him playing.
But he wants to be taken seriously in his pool projector, stroke analyzer, etc.

Reminds me of a guy who posts here from Southern Indiana.

I put my videos up here and let ppl roast me.

trentfromtoledo said:
Lets see some video of you runnin racks

All this talk about help and do this and see this instructor.

I wanna know if you can actually play pool and SEE IT.

You continually post, lets see you play the damned game. :)

Trent from Toledo
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Prairie dog said:
Great post. All I meant to write was that there are many pool players that would not want to try a device that would show their faults in the stroke. "Scared" was the wrong word to use. Lou is probably one of those. I'm guessing if someone on the next table had one and offered it to Lou, he would not want to see whether he had faults or not. Not picking on him but I'm just guessing here from his posts. Could be totally wrong here and if so I apologize. Just using him as an example of people that would not want to know.
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You are a bigger fool than I initially thought.

If you and I were on side-by-side tables, and you had your toy and offered it to me, I’d just laugh. Because while you were trying to get it to give you the right feedback you wouldn’t be getting out of a single rack, while I would be running multiple racks.

Why would I need to try your toy?

Post up video and you will prove my point.

Lou Figueroa
 
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lfigueroa said:
Why would I need to try your toy?

Lou Figueroa
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Like I just wrote. You would not want to know your stroke faults. By the way, It's a practice device. I doubt if anyone would play competition with it on their cue.
 
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Prairie dog said:
All I have filmed is two years ago. I've never said I'm that good. However, I do all that I can to get better with training aids and instruction. The video has a buzz.

https://youtu.be/-xe85bu_goQ
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Nobody is gonna accuse you of being anything better than average. At least not in my area.

Trying to improve is what this site is all about. Nobody, especially myself will EVER fault you or ANYONE for trying to improve.

However, I HIGHLY advise you to slow your roll about giving advice on anything pool related unless your giving advice to C-level or lower players.

Sorry, but I'm like the DIGICUE... I call it like I see it and I can't see you calling LOU out....

How's that for advice?

BTW,

When people ask for a vid, they are normally asking for a race of at least 5 or so ...... or a 14.1 session.

My grandmother can run 1 rack if I give her enough attempts.
 
OP:

I wanted to say thank you for putting the video up.

I reread my last post and wanted to make sure you knew that I was not trying to put you down. In fact, I hope you put more vids up.

I still stand by my comments about easing up on the "calling out" of individuals that are actually much stronger players...... not to mention calling out the entire forum at once.

Again, post more vids as you improve.

Congrats!
 
jimmyco said:
I wouldn't pay that kind of money for something that could possibly be obsolete in a short time. Unless OB offered some type of trade-in.

The Digicue sold for $100, then comes Digicue Blue and OB is selling the original for less than $30.

I understand that is the nature of tech. But that is also why I would not buy one.
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I do not think the digicue blue will be obsolete. Not much to improve on as far as bluetooth. That was the main drawback of the original digicue. It would vibrate but you had no idea as to why.
 
jrctherake said:
OP:

I wanted to say thank you for putting the video up.

I reread my last post and wanted to make sure you knew that I was not trying to put you down. In fact, I hope you put more vids up.

I still stand by my comments about easing up on the "calling out" of individuals that are actually much stronger players...... not to mention calling out the entire forum at once.

Again, post more vids as you improve.

Congrats!
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I was not calling Lou out. All I wrote was that he would not use a stroke analyzer if it was free. No problem with that. Just indication some guys don't want to know any faults.
 
u12armresl said:
Trent, he continually ignores the polite ask to post video of him playing.
But he wants to be taken seriously in his pool projector, stroke analyzer, etc.

Reminds me of a guy who posts here from Southern Indiana.

I put my videos up here and let ppl roast me.
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I posted mine. Now, let's see yours.....
 
The gist of this thread is the same thing I have encountered when I let players try mine. They are in denial when it vibrates and says their stroke is of a lesser quality than they believe it to be.

The goal is to make each stroke better than the last. Mark Wilson talks about this in Play Great Pool. One big difference between pros and amateurs is the consistency of their stroke. They are able to put high quality strokes on the ball consistently. Even low level pros put a bad stroke on the ball more often than higher level pros.

I have used the digicue for quite awhile and am happy with the small improvements over time. As you get closer to a perfect stroke, the improvements become smaller. My main goal is to just get rid of the poor strokes.

It is a process though. If you have been steering subconsciously for a long time, then when you get your stroke straight you suddenly have to aim and align differently because you had adjusted in the past to make balls. There is a learning curve to getting rid of bad habits. This does not happen overnight.
 
Prairie dog said:
I was not calling Lou out. All I wrote was that he would not use a stroke analyzer if it was free. No problem with that. Just indication some guys don't want to know any faults.
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You sir do not understand the tone of your posts! To me, an outsider, you most certainly are calling Lou out. therake gave you good advice, good luck.
 
lfigueroa said:
Is there any proof, of any kind, that getting good feedback from this device produces higher runs?

Better CB accuracy? More accurate ball pocketing?

A bump in you FargoRate or APA rating?

Anything beyond anecdotal accounts?

Lou Figueroa
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Not sure about proof, like higher runs or better cb control, but I do believe the Digicue can remedy stroke problems like tip steering or wonky follow throughs.

I bought one out of curiosity about this time last year. Used it for about a week practicing at the house, not out in action. That would be a mistake in my opinion. When you're out somewhere playing there shouldn't be any training or practice tools cluttering up your game. But at the house or anywhere practice takes place, this little device provides great feedback.

I know from my own experience that it is very beneficial for solidifying a PSR and overall rhythm of play. Due to lack of table time I had developed a tendency of occassionally rushing from one shot to the next, raising up on a shot here and there, etc... and it's not something you easily notice during play, unless a buddy says something like, "What's the rush? You're raising up a lot." I have to say this little gadget helped me with that problem within a week of hitting balls and paying attention to the feedback it provided.

You stroke in a couple of dozen shots with no vibrations felt and you know your stroke is dead on track as the tip moves through the cb. That's where the data comes from -- it doesn't matter what your stroke is doing until the tip hits the ball. The "Straightness" has nothing to do with stroke stlye. It's all in how straight the cue moves through the cb. Bustamonte and Reyes would probably ace the Digicue with great scores on every parameter, just like any quality player should.
 
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ipoppa33 said:
You sir do not understand the tone of your posts! To me, an outsider, you most certainly are calling Lou out. therake gave you good advice, good luck.
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So.... if you are in the pool room practicing and a friend says: "hey, do you want to try the Digicue Blue device on your stroke?" And you (or Lou) say: "no thanks". THAT is calling someone out???
 
Prairie dog said:
Like I just wrote. You would not want to know your stroke faults. By the way, It's a practice device. I doubt if anyone would play competition with it on their cue.
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Tell you what.

You said you were coming to STL later this year. Practice with your little toy and make your stroke perfect. And we can play some for a few bucks. Doesn’t have to be high but it has to be something. I will just use my faulty stroke with all its imperfections, swoops, angles, and steering. You can use your stroke, honed to perfection. I know I’m taking the worst of it but I’ll give you a try.

Lou Figueroa
 
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