Siming Chen vs Donny Mills

ShortBusRuss said:
See? This is why we see people like you as chauvinists. Because you are.

1. Women make up approximately 3% of the field in ANY tournament.
2. Women above a 700 Fargorate make up an infintessimally small percentage of the total amount of women players.
3. Given 1 and 2, even if you GIVE the top women all the wins against those men rated 725 and below in such a big mixed event, the women would STILL have to survive multiple coin flips against those at their same rating to get more than a few rounds in.
4. The IPT was played on super slow cloth, giving the men a bigger advantage over the women than they already had culturally. The modern improvement in women's play is in large part due to the changes in the game that made strength less important.

Now.. You wanna bet that the top 5 women don't take a few scalps of VERY popular players? 'Cause I'll damn sure bet THAT with you if such a tournament comes up...

And, LAST, but not LEAST... Being chauvinist about women playing people is absolutely moronic. You should be hoping with every fiber of your being for a woman to win an open World Championship.

Pool halls are closing every week in America, losing young people to video games. The ONE thing that would set fire to pool would be if women could compete on an evening playing field with men.

Let me reiterate that in a different way.... It is absolutely fantastic that template racks and fast cloth have evened the playing field between men and women, because if a woman snaps off a major event, we will see an EXPLOSION of media coverage for the game, and that can ONLY be good. And if they make a movie about that woman's life, and Hollywood puts a big name young actress in to play her? Maybe the next Color of Money?

If a woman starts winning regularly against men and the above comes to pass... maybe more young women start playing pool. And the young men will follow the young women into the pool halls. 'Cuz that's what they do.. Follow the poonanny, wherever it may roam.

Those of you taking a chauvinistic view of women playing pool are really cutting off your nose to spite your face... You have literally ZERO vision for what a woman playing even with the top men could mean for the game.

Short Bus Russ.
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Well ,your again short bus sided , no one says they can't compete because they can but can they run the gauntlet of a world class event that certainly remains to be seen and I can assure you that color of money spike that happened at the same time the big armature leagues started will never happen again , hell I was sitting next to Kristina Tkach today playing a local giving the 7 9ball and there was just a handful watching , at the Chen Mills what maybe 30 or so Friday night far less on Saturday ,, fact is unless your hard core pool fan its simply not entertainment enough to compete with even a smart phone ,,

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jasonlaus said:
Dont think so.

If the 4 ball was there, she would have went to the end rail and(maybe long rail) back up for the 6 in the same pocket.
Jason

I wasnt even sure the 4 would go in the side.
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Im not sure if that's exactly where it was but close they get a little spooked on side pockets on the diamonds unlike a gold crown that sucks the in a diamond spits them out like bad tap water so the conservative play is make the 4 and play the 6 into the throat of the other side pocket much easier shot .

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This is for the seasoned railbirds who have seen Balukas play against her peers and the boys...
Does she get the 8 from Chen ? (We all understand the difference in the equipment from that era)

Thx.
 
poolnoob said:
I watched the last 3 racks on first break bar & grill fb page as someone suggested ...
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Thanks, that worked. (The video was five or six items down on the page.)

I would have tried to play better position from the four to the six. It was roughly a half-ball shot as shown by how Siming lined the ball up. She could have take the cue ball straight across the table with new cloth, or at least have gotten a much better angle on the six with typical cloth.
 
The 4 could only be bunted in the pocket.

When I watched it on the live stream it looked like it only went in the corner. It wasn't hanging, it was on the side rail by the side pocket tip with a very small amount of light coming through the gap. It was one of those shots where if you shoot the side you just have to trust that if you shoot it past the tip very gently, the outermost curve of the side pocket will suck the ball in. Anything more than a bunt speed was just going to jam it into the far tip and back out.

She made a great shot just to pocket that ball, and it was part of one of the best hill run outs I've seen in a long time.
 
Tin Man said:
The 4 could only be bunted in the pocket.

When I watched it on the live stream it looked like it only went in the corner. It wasn't hanging, it was on the side rail by the side pocket tip with a very small amount of light coming through the gap. It was one of those shots where if you shoot the side you just have to trust that if you shoot it past the tip very gently, the outermost curve of the side pocket will suck the ball in. Anything more than a bunt speed was just going to jam it into the far tip and back out.

She made a great shot just to pocket that ball, and it was part of one of the best hill run outs I've seen in a long time.
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Finally!!! Somebody else actually watched it.
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
Do you even play pool? That 4 ball was nowhere near that spot, I would suggest glasses.

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I'm beginning to wonder if some of these guys have any understanding of the game at all.
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Lol OK, OK, yes, I get it.
I'm a moron because I mis-remembered the exact position of a single ball after watching 8 hours of pool.

MY BAD. You don't have to be a douche about it.

In my defense, from my side of the table it was hard to see how thin it was.
I did get footage, and going back over it, yes, the 4-ball was 2 inches higher.
So that's probably why she didn't try to go to the end or side rail.
Too thin, the facing would have rejected it if she used any speed.

I only wanted to make the point that she's such a good shotmaker, she is willing
to accept some cuts that seem tough to the average guy. I guess that was a bad example.

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CreeDo said:
Lol OK, OK, yes, I get it.
I'm a moron because I mis-remembered the exact position of a single ball after watching 8 hours of pool.

MY BAD. You don't have to be a douche about it.

In my defense, from my side of the table it was hard to see how thin it was.
I did get footage, and going back over it, yes, the 4-ball was 2 inches higher.
So that's probably why she didn't try to go to the end or side rail.
Too thin, the facing would have rejected it if she used any speed.

I only wanted to make the point that she's such a good shotmaker, she is willing
to accept some cuts that seem tough to the average guy. I guess that was a bad example.

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Sorry. Just didnt want bad info out there about THAT run out - one of the strongest runouts I've seen in a long time

Agree, she is a great shotmaker.
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
Sorry. Just didnt want bad info out there about THAT run out - one of the strongest runouts I've seen in a long time

Agree, she is a great shotmaker.
Jason
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It's all good :) and yeah, that runout at hill hill was nuts.
I mean the bank alone was pretty clutch, but that 3 ball... holy shit.
I can't even make that in my basement with 4 tries.

I hope she comes back into town again, either to play Donny or someone else.
She let wilkie beat her up in 10-ball and deserves a rematch.
 
My favorite shot of the match was her 8 ball when the score was 18-13 (If I am remembering correctly).

Donnie cornered the 7 ball and hooked her. She kicked in the 7 but got trapped by the tip and the cue ball remained resting on the end rail near the pocket. The 8 ball was on the opposite side and opposite end of the table, too far to be cut into the side pocket but out in space.

If I leveled off and lagged at the 8 ball I would probably be about 25% to make the shot. Following it up with the spot shot on the 9 from the kitchen (probably 50/50 at best) I give myself a 10% chance of running those two balls.

Watching the stream I was POSITIVE she was playing safe, cutting the 8 ball 1-2 rails to the end rail and leaving distance. I mean, the thought of shooting didn't even cross my mind as a serious option.

Suddenly I'm watching Siming elevate her cue, as if she's going to not only take on the shot, but DRAW THE BALL from frozen (or within an inch for certain) on the end rail. I couldn't believe she would even consider shooting the shot that way. Then she hit it, and that son of a gun ran on rails right into the pocket and she stunned the cueball to the rail and held it for perfect shape on the 9 which she made.

My jaw was on the floor. That shot says it all. We could skip the 75 pages of posts and just link a gif of that shot and it would tell the tale.
 
Tin Man said:
The 4 could only be bunted in the pocket.

When I watched it on the live stream it looked like it only went in the corner. It wasn't hanging, it was on the side rail by the side pocket tip with a very small amount of light coming through the gap. It was one of those shots where if you shoot the side you just have to trust that if you shoot it past the tip very gently, the outermost curve of the side pocket will suck the ball in. Anything more than a bunt speed was just going to jam it into the far tip and back out.

She made a great shot just to pocket that ball, and it was part of one of the best hill run outs I've seen in a long time.
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She lined up the path of the 4 from the middle of the end cushion. Or at least that seemed to be what she was doing. That would make the shot not quite so tough.
 
Tin Man said:
My favorite shot of the match was her 8 ball when the score was 18-13 (If I am remembering correctly).

Donnie cornered the 7 ball and hooked her. She kicked in the 7 but got trapped by the tip and the cue ball remained resting on the end rail near the pocket. The 8 ball was on the opposite side and opposite end of the table, too far to be cut into the side pocket but out in space.

If I leveled off and lagged at the 8 ball I would probably be about 25% to make the shot. Following it up with the spot shot on the 9 from the kitchen (probably 50/50 at best) I give myself a 10% chance of running those two balls.

Watching the stream I was POSITIVE she was playing safe, cutting the 8 ball 1-2 rails to the end rail and leaving distance. I mean, the thought of shooting didn't even cross my mind as a serious option.

Suddenly I'm watching Siming elevate her cue, as if she's going to not only take on the shot, but DRAW THE BALL from frozen (or within an inch for certain) on the end rail. I couldn't believe she would even consider shooting the shot that way. Then she hit it, and that son of a gun ran on rails right into the pocket and she stunned the cueball to the rail and held it for perfect shape on the 9 which she made.

My jaw was on the floor. That shot says it all. We could skip the 75 pages of posts and just link a gif of that shot and it would tell the tale.
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I'm having trouble visualizing this shot, but that doesn't mean much..exciting description, would love to see it
 
Bob Jewett said:
She lined up the path of the 4 from the middle of the end cushion. Or at least that seemed to be what she was doing. That would make the shot not quite so tough.
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You need to watch the actual stream to really see the shot, I couldnt tell if it would go or not.

Hopefully Roy will post the final rack.
Jason
 
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Bob Jewett said:
She lined up the path of the 4 from the middle of the end cushion. Or at least that seemed to be what she was doing. That would make the shot not quite so tough.
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I love you Bob but I'm pretty confident it was far from routine.

She glanced at the side then went right to looking at the corner. Walked down to see what she'd have on the 6 and how bad of a situation that would be, both a tough shot with very difficult shape. She looked at the side again and lined it up, then went back to looking at the corner as if she had dismissed it again as an option. She shook her head. She looked at the side again with a squint, then got up. She started laughing as if to say "On a hill-hill I'm really thinking about trying to wiggle this ball in the side?!?" She finally committed to it and aimed it seriously intently a few times, then wobbled the ball in as softly as she could hit it.

This may not be an exact breakdown, but pretty close. This combined with the overhead view which showed the ball on the side rail made it pretty clear the story.
Trust me, I'm sure she would've loved the ability to play shape.

I get what you're saying about the angle she aimed from coming close to the 2nd diamond. But is it possible that if the ball is super close to the rail that you'd still need to cut it a bit, but that the margin of error is still so tight the shot is almost a trick shot? That's my feel of what was going on. Hard to tell from the FaceBook reply, I want to see the overhead again and full screen if it hits YouTube.

EDIT - Yes. I just set it up on my pool table. With the object ball near the tip it still required the butt of my cue to be just inside the 2nd diamond when I aimed it up, even when it was right at the border of impossibility.
 
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if six 800 speed players played a round robin and each of them were a rainbow color then the the distributions of wins and losses would look quite colorful. That's now, and that is in 2030, and 2150 and whenever. 800 is 800 is 800.
 
Not only was that one of the best runouts I've ever seen, it was also for $20,000 or whatever. To play that strong in that situation by a player who doesnt gamble is simply amazing.
Jason
 
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