Siming Chen vs Donny Mills
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I believe she was being backed.
So being backed means the person doesn't feel pressure?
Me thinks Definitely so especially since he had to back up what he said , Donnie did seem to get comfortable for the first time late in set 2 , IMHO if this was a race to 100 he would have faded it I do know even though Roy indicated he wanted a third set for more action , others were not of that opinion they were sweating it big time , Donnie had the rack figured out and he basically lost the match on missing a routine bank
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Any excuse works for the chauvinist crowd.
Not picking on you Russ, just throwing this out there for debate. Fargo says it has roughly 167,000 players in the system. When the WPBA brackets were released I looked at the bracket. I picked out Kelly Fisher. She is rated at 741 iirc. She is playing Kristy Ranalli her first set.
I went to fargorate and typed in Kristy. There was 43 players that came up. One was listed twice so 42 different players. Out of 42 players only 3 (less than 10%) have an established rating. So if 39 players are unestablished it means their rating is not completely accurate. So if only 10% of the ratings are accurate how can fargorate be truly accurate?
I also understand that players like the top pros have lots of games in the system and that would make their ratings more accurate. However those players ratings are tied to the unestablished players also.
Out of the 167,000 players how many actually have an established rating?
I have not read much of this thread, but it seems on every page you are screaming this sheeite. Why dont you just say what you really think ?
This is REAL easy to settle.
Get together another $20,000.00 together amongst yourself and all the other woman-hating AZers, and back Donny for another go at Siming.
If you think he's the favorite because of the penis he has, then put him back in the box. Lotta money to be made.You backing him should take all the pressure right off.
As far as all the people who actually watched the match and understood what they were seeing, we saw that she outplayed him in virtually EVERY part of the game except the break.
She shot straighter..
She kicked better.
She played better safes.
If you need further proof of the relative importance of the break versus all these other elements, you need look no further than Efren Reyes. He never had any better than an "okay" break, and he was a favorite to beat anyone under Earl in a gambling match. And by the looks of the "Color of Money" match, it turns out that he could hang with Earl, too.
Betting on your guy to outrun a much better player based purely on the break is the sucker bet of all sucker bets.
I have not read much of this thread, but it seems on every page you are screaming this sheeite. Why dont you just say what you really think ?
Okay, I think that the pool player population is aging and there are a lot of dinosaurs out there that believe women genetically can't compete with the top men in any game/sport that requires hand/eye coordination and muscle control. Or that they are inherently weaker mentally just because they are female. Or other similarly lame bullshit.
They come on here and come up with EVERY excuse in the book why Siming Chen is not REALLY better than Donny Mills, and I am sick of it. There are a lot of otherwise smart people that I have met in real life and respected, until this conversation came up. And the problem is, a lot of these players are 500-level Fargorate players, who don't even PLAY good enough to recognize how differently Siming plays than her predeccesors.
Have I been clear enough?
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SBR,
You are so full of yourself. I thought you were leaving AZ??? I suspect many of us "women haters" have spent more time caring for and loving the women and girls in our lives than you have. You have become about as unbearable as a certain table mechanic. It's too bad to because hidden among your diatribes are some decent posts. Oh well.
You are so full of yourself. I thought you were leaving AZ??? I suspect many of us "women haters" have spent more time caring for and loving the women and girls in our lives than you have. You have become about as unbearable as a certain table mechanic. It's too bad to because hidden among your diatribes are some decent posts. Oh well.
Because the only players who count (the ones out actively competing on a regular basis in the biggest tournaments) ARE in Fargorate and have enough of a competition history for their Fargorate to be accurate.
Now, if you can demonstrate that there are a bunch of unrated women in that field that play champion speed because they practiced in their basement, and they hold under under the pressure of playing Siming, Allison, Kelly, etc...
Well, I am prepared to have my eyes opened. Unlike some dinosaurs in the forum.
The same thing happens in chess. An "unknown" player comes in and beats up on all the lower rated players and gets themselves a provisional rating. Yes, the established players may lose a few points, but if that player turns out to be a closet 2000 ELO player from Bulgaria, the rating will shoot up, and the algorithm accounts for this by awarding points back to the established players who lost to this player in their provisional period. The minnows will never lose that many points when they play a shark, regardless of whether the shark was previously unknown or not. If the "shark" blows through all the minnows and wins a sectional, then the minnows will lose minimal points, and the math all works out for both known and unknown players. I would assume the same applies to Fargorate.
I would assume that if a previously unknown player snaps off a U.S. Open and beats down Shane Van Boeing in the finals, Shane does not end up losing 50 Fargorate points.That's just not the way the math works. And the player being unknown before the tournament will not make much difference to the ratings of the other established players.
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I've been married 21 years, thanks..
And perhaps you "women haters" ought to keep your opinions on the inferiority of women in pool to yourself and watch things progress. After all, there is a LOT to be gained if women start playing at the same level as the top men.
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Dude get over yourself. You are obviously talking about me (and others) especially in this post. 500 range player, that you met in person, that you respected before, and now think is a moron. Well that is me to a T.
I almost didn't respond to this one, but do you hate Donny for thinking he can win? Do you hate Bartram for betting on Donny? Do you hate HELFERT who swore up and down for YEARS the women were as good as the men but then HE BET on Donny!? WTF was that Helfert?!?
As far as speed, you are no more qualified than me or anyone else on here to have an opinion on actual play. You are not a Pro player, or even an A player. You are a B+ player at best. I'll bet against you on the 9 ball ghost for the rest of my life on a Diamond. I'm not sure what B+ translates to in Fargo, but I think about the 575 range. If you were a top player in the 700 range or higher, your opinion on the actual play and patterns would carry a lot more weight. As it is now, we are both equals as keyboard warriors and wannabe players.
We all have opinions. You are the only one typing the words penis and vagina in every other post of yours and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a woman hating banger.
The battle of the sexes is about as polarizing a discussion you will get. You will find debates about it in EVERY facet of life. From sports to games to sensory to intelligence to judgment to empathy to you name it. Tons of people have opposite viewpoints on this. But at the end of the day, we all get along just fine and meet at the table and bang balls around with each other.
I said all I wanted to and more in this thread, and I think every single other poster did as well. I'll see you boys on the next thread
And I like every one of you.I still like you, and I'll shake your hand if I every make it to DCC again, but you needed to hear this.
No, he lost the match because of all the stuff he did worse than her when neither of them had balls going on the break, and that's what brought us to a score of 19 - 13 Siming.
Jason
What can I say, I am a salty bastard!! :thumbup:
I was very unhappy with my play this year at Derby, and am currently on a weight loss mission. You most definitely have got action on the ghost at Derby next year. We bet until someone quits, either way. But minimum 3 sets, at shall we say, $200.00 per?
I'd like to get that action locked up now, if I can. I was planning on trying my hand at the various ghost challenges and posting video.
In addition... My Fargorate is currently 580, based off a few bartable events and league in Colorado. I will also entertain even 10 ball sets against a fellow 570-590 range player if you'd like to bring one along.
Please reply with confirmation.
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Dude get over yourself. You are obviously talking about me (and others) especially in this post. 500 range player, that you met in person, that you respected before, and now think is a moron. Well that is me to a T.
I almost didn't respond to this one, but do you hate Donny for thinking he can win? Do you hate Bartram for betting on Donny? Do you hate HELFERT who swore up and down for YEARS the women were as good as the men but then HE BET on Donny!? WTF was that Helfert?!?
As far as speed, you are no more qualified than me or anyone else on here to have an opinion on actual play. You are not a Pro player, or even an A player. You are a B+ player at best. I'll bet against you on the 9 ball ghost for the rest of my life on a Diamond. I'm not sure what B+ translates to in Fargo, but I think about the 575 range. If you were a top player in the 700 range or higher, your opinion on the actual play and patterns would carry a lot more weight. As it is now, we are both equals as keyboard warriors and wannabe players.
We all have opinions. You are the only one typing the words penis and vagina in every other post of yours and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a woman hating banger.
The battle of the sexes is about as polarizing a discussion you will get. You will find debates about it in EVERY facet of life. From sports to games to sensory to intelligence to judgment to empathy to you name it. Tons of people have opposite viewpoints on this. But at the end of the day, we all get along just fine and meet at the table and bang balls around with each other.
I said all I wanted to and more in this thread, and I think every single other poster did as well. I'll see you boys on the next thread
I still like you, and I'll shake your hand if I every make it to DCC again, but you needed to hear this.
Donny himself said she shoots/pockets balls as good as all the big boys.
Jason
Dude get over yourself. You are obviously talking about me (and others) especially in this post. 500 range player, that you met in person, that you respected before, and now think is a moron. Well that is me to a T.
I almost didn't respond to this one, but do you hate Donny for thinking he can win? Do you hate Bartram for betting on Donny? Do you hate HELFERT who swore up and down for YEARS the women were as good as the men but then HE BET on Donny!? WTF was that Helfert?!?
As far as speed, you are no more qualified than me or anyone else on here to have an opinion on actual play. You are not a Pro player, or even an A player. You are a B+ player at best. I'll bet against you on the 9 ball ghost for the rest of my life on a Diamond. I'm not sure what B+ translates to in Fargo, but I think about the 575 range. If you were a top player in the 700 range or higher, your opinion on the actual play and patterns would carry a lot more weight. As it is now, we are both equals as keyboard warriors and wannabe players.
We all have opinions. You are the only one typing the words penis and vagina in every other post of yours and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a woman hating banger.
The battle of the sexes is about as polarizing a discussion you will get. You will find debates about it in EVERY facet of life. From sports to games to sensory to intelligence to judgment to empathy to you name it. Tons of people have opposite viewpoints on this. But at the end of the day, we all get along just fine and meet at the table and bang balls around with each other.
I said all I wanted to and more in this thread, and I think every single other poster did as well. I'll see you boys on the next thread
I still like you, and I'll shake your hand if I every make it to DCC again, but you needed to hear this.
Like you too, bud.
You just need to learn to trust FR a little more and stop making so many -EV bets
I feel more pressure when being backed.
He's right. But still, he just got his arse handed to him. Twice...what else could he say? Right?
About 23,000
I think about 54 of the 64 players in the WPBA event have an established rating.