With a neutral racker, Bergman has every chance. Rack your own and he'll be overmatched.
I think it unlikely that Bergman would agree to the match if it were rack your own.
Justin Bergman said he'll play anyone for $10K min.
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With a neutral racker, Bergman has every chance. Rack your own and he'll be overmatched.
I think it unlikely that Bergman would agree to the match if it were rack your own.
Their last poster was absolutely deceptive, implying a 2k match was a 20k match.
I'm surprised they're continuing to do it after all the complaints.
It's pretty clear at this point that the deception is deliberate,
and I'm disappointed the commentators are going along.
But I'm not really surprised. When I brought it up on facebook, CJ was quick to defend it
and act like anyone who thought the match was for 20k was a moron.
I won't be buying the streams specifically because of this. Even though I'm clear now
on the arrangement, I won't encourage this practice of bullshitting the viewers to sell tickets.
It's a shame because the streams are otherwise decent, and I'd be content to buy an exhibition,
if they'd been upfront about it.
Some truth in that, but if this match brought a lot of "after the break" skills into play, as we've seen over the past decade at the Mosconi, it's slows SVB down. Bergman, as I've opined before, has the best "after the break" skills of all the American players, so if it's his kind of match, he has a shot even in a very long race. As we've seen at the Mosconi, which emphasizes after the break skills, Bergman has tended to shine.
If it's just a break and run contest, Shane is a heavy favorite in a long race.
Let's see what they agree on.
Imagine a light above the rack spot that generated random racks by shining down the ball numbers.
What's the missing factor? Loser racks....the racker/loser ''assumes the postion'' he must have some say in each rack. The racker does everything Legally to minimize and stop balls from going on the break. There are certain ball patterns, ball thickness's are different....figure out certain combinations of ball racking position and stop the bleeding.
This is how the true game of 9 ball is played. Winner breaks, loser racks. Game on. Pretty simple. Like tennis. You serve, I receive. You dish it out, I take it. I dish it out, I love it.
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I'm not sure I agree with you Stu. I like Shane both before and after the break. He's a better shot maker, position player and ball runner. His safety game might be slightly inferior but not by much. He jumps better as well. That's how I see it anyway. Just wondering if this is really a 20K match (Justin did say 10K minimum each) or another "qualifier" for something to come later?
I respectfully disagree.
While Justin is an incredible player, his "after the break" skills have to do with a pattern rack with a specific type of rack and him usually touching the balls after lifting the rack.
Watch Mosconi cup games vs games where he racks and see the huge difference.
While Justin is an incredible player, his "after the break" skills have to do with a pattern rack with a specific type of rack and him usually touching the balls after lifting the rack.
Watch Mosconi cup games vs games where he racks and see the huge difference.
Right, SVB runs out better, but I'll take Bergman in both safety play and, even more so, in kicking. Further, I'd call Bergman much, much stronger at safety play and kicking than SVB, and he might dominate the moves oriented racks nearly as much as Alex Pagulayan did over the years against SVB. All that said, though, whether many racks will come down to the moves game is an unknown, but we'll have a better sense of it when we see what rues they've agreed to.
The less they are playing for, the less likely it is that Justin has negotiated the break to the point that SVB's edge in breaking is significantly reduced.
weird, i had that exact idea the other day. also, for snooker, a laser pointer or something that from above shows the ref where the balls were positioned before a failed snooker escape. going off topic, but yea technology could make the game(s) better
the match
I'd love to see some ATLARGE stats on breaks on here for this match. I have watched Justin a lot. He gets out broken really bad most sets or matches. Yet he wins more often than he loses.
Oscar way out broke him. Made more balls on the break and more break and runs by about double. Justin beat him by double the games. The amount of games Justin wins in which both players play is astronomical.
Shane may just BnR too good for Justin to outplay him on the table by 3:1 which is what he will have to do unless he learns the break on that table quick. He loves Gold Crowns so maybe he can figure it out.
As far as shot making he is way underestimated. World class bank player and runs 18 and out on me too often. His kicking is Filipino like and equalizes anyones jumping ability (which he can jump just fine as well).
But again every game he wins he has to break again and every game Shane wins he Gets to break again. The two packs from Oscar will be 5 packs from Shane I'm afraid.
I think Shane will run 30% or more and Justin around 10% .
Go Justin!
I'd love to see some ATLARGE stats on breaks on here for this match. I have watched Justin a lot. He gets out broken really bad most sets or matches. Yet he wins more often than he loses.
Oscar way out broke him. Made more balls on the break and more break and runs by about double. Justin beat him by double the games. The amount of games Justin wins in which both players play is astronomical.
Shane may just BnR too good for Justin to outplay him on the table by 3:1 which is what he will have to do unless he learns the break on that table quick. He loves Gold Crowns so maybe he can figure it out.
As far as shot making he is way underestimated. World class bank player and runs 18 and out on me too often. His kicking is Filipino like and equalizes anyones jumping ability (which he can jump just fine as well).
But again every game he wins he has to break again and every game Shane wins he Gets to break again. The two packs from Oscar will be 5 packs from Shane I'm afraid.
I think Shane will run 30% or more and Justin around 10% .
Go Justin!
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Shane has been beat by much lower rated players gambling too, so anything can happen.
Ruslan beat Shane
Alex Kazakis beat Shane.
Shane grilled the Nick the Greek.
We'll see how Shane does against JL Chang. Its been a while since he's played a long race.
The key is don't play Shane as his best game. 10b on a pro-cut Diamond. Shane has the break down too damn good.
Ruslan beat Shane
Alex Kazakis beat Shane.
Shane grilled the Nick the Greek.
We'll see how Shane does against JL Chang. Its been a while since he's played a long race.
The key is don't play Shane as his best game. 10b on a pro-cut Diamond. Shane has the break down too damn good.
This is a 100% real action gambling match with a minimum of 20k in the middle, no show money has been posted.
This has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of exhibition or qualifier you are referring to :shrug:
This is a 100% real action gambling match with a minimum of 20k in the middle, no show money has been posted.
This has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of exhibition or qualifier you are referring to :shrug:
I was referring to the match Shane has with Chang and an earlier match (Shaw vs. Sky?) that was billed as one thing and turned out to be a qualifier for a later 20K invitational. But thanks for clarifying that this is not one of those matches and is in fact a true Challenge!
It's on guys, we have ACTION :clapping:
Let's Get Ready to Rumble!!!
August 1st
Official Announcement coming soon :dance:
Let's Get Ready to Rumble!!!
August 1st
Official Announcement coming soon :dance:
Aug 1st, damn. Couldn't they have waited a little bit :thumbup:
That sounds deceptive and shady. They sully their own reputation with such false advertising antics.
