Earl imploding in the World Pool Masrers

Correct but, how many today are equal to Earl's prime?

I've been around Earl enough to know:

He compares EVERYONE'S game to HIS prime.

His prime. That's a HUGE goal to reach that most, even players like Kaci..... may never get there.

Regardless of what folks think about him today, the man IMO....done as much for pool, especially 9 ball than any other "player" on the planet.....with the exception of a "couple" Philippino players that I've played over the years.

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Kaci is not a natural

Earls a stone cold natural. In all my years of play, no other player that I ever ran into, swung the cue ''like he did''. Bar none. Even Ether in the late seventies, or St Louie Louie when the mix was right. In his youth, he Never missed a pocket, only missed the shot by jawing it, or hitting it with too much ball speed. He lived off his draw shot. When his game came together, he always seemed to pocket most all his shots with a similar swing speed.
 
I'm not here to defend or bash Earl,, but seeing the end of this match, there were people watching wearing full winter parka coats in the spectators area.

I am the same age as Earl, the cold does have an effect.
When I was 20 yrs old,I used to play H-O-R-S-E on the basketball court in a T-shirt when it was 30 degreesF outside. Never gave it a thought.
Today at 58 yrs old, I wouldn't even think about it.

Ronnie O'Sullivan is a great player,HOWEVER, I don't much like his attitude when he loses. Check out the match against Judd Trump he lost in the finals. He GAVE AWAY his 2nd place trophy to a spectator right in front of Trump and tournament officials!
(Think it was Dafabet Masters Final 2019)

He acted like the trophy was not good enough for him. I found that attitude toward a loss vain.

Here's the end Interview of the Strickland/Kaci match:


https://youtu.be/t9_bxamUH2Y?t=3116
 
Ronnie O'Sullivan is a great player,HOWEVER, I don't much like his attitude when he loses. Check out the match against Judd Trump he lost in the finals. He GAVE AWAY his 2nd place trophy to a spectator right in front of Trump and tournament officials!
(Think it was Dafabet Masters Final 2019)

He acted like the trophy was not good enough for him. I found that attitude toward a loss vain.

He always does that, second place isn't good enough for him.

I don't really see whats wrong with it though, it means a young fan has something to treasure and he's generally quite gracious in his post match interview.

Now as for some of his off-table interviews, that's another matter ;-)
 
Kaci is not a natural

Earls a stone cold natural. In all my years of play, no other player that I ever ran into, swung the cue ''like he did''. Bar none. Even Ether in the late seventies, or St Louie Louie when the mix was right. In his youth, he Never missed a pocket, only missed the shot by jawing it, or hitting it with too much ball speed. He lived off his draw shot. When his game came together, he always seemed to pocket most all his shots with a similar swing speed.

I agree.

Kaci is not now and may never be in the same class of Earl in his prime.

I, like many others, hope that kaci (and all young pros) reaches "whatever" level "he is able" to reach before he is well past his prime.

He will not be so happy about it when / if he is playing at Earl's age.

People like to talk chit about Earl, especially the people that can't run a rack themselves.

Then again, lol.... it seems every other person online is a keyboard tough guy.

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY miss the pre computer, cell phone etc...etc days with a passion.
 
Whoa, now! Wait a cotton-picking minute! :mad:

It's great that folks are writing their good thoughts about a living legend, Earl Strickland. That warms my heart!

That said, Klenti Kaci *is* a champion. Make no mistake about it. The kid was in a world finals against world-beaters when he was a mere 18 years of age. He's young and still climbing his career ladder, but at the age of 19, look at what this young man has accomplished.

I really don't like these who's-the-best threads because they usually end up *not* comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Earl's prime and best games, most of us were around to witness. The rules were different, and the equipment was different. Heck, even the games were different.

Kaci is the new generation of pool players, the next-gen, as they like to call it, and he is already a champion and has many, many more years to go. I don't see any quit in him. My only hope is that he does not let the pool celebrity phenomenon get inside his had and indulge in Vegas-like distractions. IOW, I hope he has a good mentor by his side.

And last but not least, Earl is handsome, but Klenti is cuter. :wub:
 

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Whoa, now! Wait a cotton-picking minute! :mad:

It's great that folks are writing their good thoughts about a living legend, Earl Strickland. That warms my heart!

That said, Klenti Kaci *is* a champion. Make no mistake about it. The kid was in a world finals against world-beaters when he was a mere 18 years of age. He's young and still climbing his career ladder, but at the age of 19, look at what this young man has accomplished.

I really don't like these who's-the-best threads because they usually end up *not* comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Earl's prime and best games, most of us were around to witness. The rules were different, and the equipment was different. Heck, even the games were different.

Kaci is the new generation of pool players, the next-gen, as they like to call it, and he is already a champion and has many, many more years to go. I don't see any quit in him. My only hope is that he does not let the pool celebrity phenomenon get inside his had and indulge in Vegas-like distractions. IOW, I hope he has a good mentor by his side.

And last but not least, Earl is handsome, but Klenti is cuter. :wub:

A "female" player I know, says Kaci looks like a mouse because of his ears.

Me?,.... I dont give any of it an second thought other than:

Good is one thing, we've seen a lot of young players come in, be a champ for a few years and poof....

On the other hand, reaching GREATNESS status is a whole-other level that takes MANY, MANY years to decades for the select few that make it. So, Kaci has a long ways to go to be GREAT.

To me though, IMO...he has what it takes. We'll see in a decade or so.
 
A "female" player I know, says Kaci looks like a mouse because of his ears.

Me?,.... I dont give any of it an second thought other than:

Good is one thing, we've seen a lot of young players come in, be a champ for a few years and poof....

On the other hand, reaching GREATNESS status is a whole-other level that takes MANY, MANY years to decades for the select few that make it. So, Kaci has a long ways to go to be GREAT.

To me though, IMO...he has what it takes. We'll see in a decade or so.

Number 1 in the Euro rankings at the age of 19. Not too shabby.

In the Grand Finale at World Pool Series in 2017 at the age of 18.

Mosconi Cup at the age of 19.

And these are just a few that come to mind at the time of this writing.

One thing to remember is that 30 years ago, there were no international competitors to speak of in USA at the major events. The championship titles back then were won against Americans, not international players that we have today on the tournament trail.

Of course, 30 years ago, we had a heck of a lot more American champions than we do today. We can thank the BCA and WPA for that.
 
Number 1 in the Euro rankings at the age of 19. Not too shabby.

In the Grand Finale at World Pool Series in 2017 at the age of 18.

Mosconi Cup at the age of 19.

And these are just a few that come to mind at the time of this writing.

One thing to remember is that 30 years ago, there were no international competitors to speak of in USA at the major events. The championship titles back then were won against Americans, not international players that we have today on the tournament trail.

Of course, 30 years ago, we had a heck of a lot more American champions than we do today. We can thank the BCA and WPA for that.

No doubt Kaci is a stud that we will be reading about for years.

Wouldn’t it stand to reason that we would have more American champions if we don’t have any international competitors? What did BCA and WPA do to keep them out?
 
No doubt Kaci is a stud that we will be reading about for years.

Wouldn’t it stand to reason that we would have more American champions if we don’t have any international competitors? What did BCA and WPA do to keep them out?

The BCA, in particular, is the Billiards Congress of America. They are supposed to be the so-called "governing body of pool" in North America.

At one time, they used to have a once-a-year tournament called the BCA Open, which was really more of an invitational. You had to be invited by the those in charge behind the curtain. There was no transparency, I might add. Kid Delicious was left out of the BCA Open in 2004, the best year of his career when he was winning everything, because it was told to to him that nobody knew how to get in touch with him. Movies and books were being tossed around to be written about him, as well as he was a member of Charlie Williams' UPA club, and he was backed by Pittsburgh Steel. But I digress.

The BCA, consisting of industry members, decided that there was no money to be made in professional pool, I guess, and sold the BCA league to Mark Griffin, ceased having the BCA Open invitational tournaments anymore, and concentrated on what can put money in the pockets of the industry members.

Well, if the BCA is the governing body of professional pool, supposed to be reporting directly to WPA so we could get a shot at the future Olympics, what happened? Why isn't the WPA asking this question to the BCA? What happened to professional pool in the United States?

The existing lot of professional players in America started to dwindle. Look at an Accu-Stats' player rosters of the 1980s and see how many champions, American champions' names are on the list. Not so today.

Professional players are treated like pariahs, banned from regional events or forced to give ridiculous, impossible handicaps if they want to compete. I remember the time Keith, who hadn't played for a decade, wanted to compete in a one-hole tournament, and the handicap he had to spot was 12 to 3, Keith having to go to 12. This is just an example. Some regional tournaments will not let pro players compete.

So the American players, unlike the their European and Asian counterparts, have no professional organization. The BCA dropped them like a hot potato when it comes to support and guidance and direction, and the majority of them scramble around like sparrows searching for crumbs of the BCA apple pie.

Oh, yes, Shane, Sky, and one or two other Americans are the golden boys who put money in the pockets of these industry members, so they are the exception, of course. But if one of these golden boys quits running racks or gets sick, they have no future because pool is not a sport. It's a recreational game in USA, like croquet and badminton.

The WPA should be doing more to promote professional pool around the world, especially in places like the United States where it is suffering, instead of jet-setting to Qatar for banquets of filet mignon and caviar.

If the WPA wants to help pool get into the Olympic Games, they might think about trying to help the professional players flourish instead of collecting sanctioning fees.

My hope is that Barry Hearn will put pool on the map and put money in the players' pockets. If the industry gets fat on this, that's fine. That's what brings the money in, advertisements of industry members, and when pool hits the big time, I hope Barry Hearn, et al., charges those greedy industry members up the ying-yang as payback for all these years the industry members are getting fat while the professional players are treated like pariahs.
 
Whoa, now! Wait a cotton-picking minute! :mad:

It's great that folks are writing their good thoughts about a living legend, Earl Strickland. That warms my heart!

That said, Klenti Kaci *is* a champion. Make no mistake about it. The kid was in a world finals against world-beaters when he was a mere 18 years of age. He's young and still climbing his career ladder, but at the age of 19, look at what this young man has accomplished.

I really don't like these who's-the-best threads because they usually end up *not* comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Earl's prime and best games, most of us were around to witness. The rules were different, and the equipment was different. Heck, even the games were different.

Kaci is the new generation of pool players, the next-gen, as they like to call it, and he is already a champion and has many, many more years to go. I don't see any quit in him. My only hope is that he does not let the pool celebrity phenomenon get inside his had and indulge in Vegas-like distractions. IOW, I hope he has a good mentor by his side.

And last but not least, Earl is handsome, but Klenti is cuter. :wub:


You hit THAT nail on the head. He doesn't need ''to go down that road''.
 
You hit THAT nail on the head. He doesn't need ''to go down that road''.

Man, I saw where he purchased a purple Mercedes-Benz. It's gorgeous, and I think it is used, not brand-new, but young men and cars can sometimes be explosive.

I hope he has fun, but not too much fun. :grin-square:
 
The BCA, in particular, is the Billiards Congress of America. They are supposed to be the so-called "governing body of pool" in North America.
At one time, they used to have a once-a-year tournament called the BCA Open, which was really more of an invitational. You had to be invited by the those in charge behind the curtain. There was no transparency, I might add. Kid Delicious was left out of the BCA Open in 2004, the best year of his career when he was winning everything, because it was told to to him that nobody knew how to get in touch with him. Movies and books were being tossed around to be written about him, as well as he was a member of Charlie Williams' UPA club, and he was backed by Pittsburgh Steel. But I digress.
The BCA, consisting of industry members, decided that there was no money to be made in professional pool, I guess, and sold the BCA league to Mark Griffin, ceased having the BCA Open invitational tournaments anymore, and concentrated on what can put money in the pockets of the industry members.
Well, if the BCA is the governing body of professional pool, supposed to be reporting directly to WPA so we could get a shot at the future Olympics, what happened? Why isn't the WPA asking this question to the BCA? What happened to professional pool in the United States?
The existing lot of professional players in America started to dwindle. Look at an Accu-Stats' player rosters of the 1980s and see how many champions, American champions' names are on the list. Not so today.
Professional players are treated like pariahs, banned from regional events or forced to give ridiculous, impossible handicaps if they want to compete. I remember the time Keith, who hadn't played for a decade, wanted to compete in a one-hole tournament, and the handicap he had to spot was 12 to 3, Keith having to go to 12. This is just an example. Some regional tournaments will not let pro players compete.
So the American players, unlike the their European and Asian counterparts, have no professional organization. The BCA dropped them like a hot potato when it comes to support and guidance and direction, and the majority of them scramble around like sparrows searching for crumbs of the BCA apple pie.
Oh, yes, Shane, Sky, and one or two other Americans are the golden boys who put money in the pockets of these industry members, so they are the exception, of course. But if one of these golden boys quits running racks or gets sick, they have no future because pool is not a sport. It's a recreational game in USA, like croquet and badminton.
The WPA should be doing more to promote professional pool around the world, especially in places like the United States where it is suffering, instead of jet-setting to Qatar for banquets of filet mignon and caviar.
If the WPA wants to help pool get into the Olympic Games, they might think about trying to help the professional players flourish instead of collecting sanctioning fees.
My hope is that Barry Hearn will put pool on the map and put money in the players' pockets. If the industry gets fat on this, that's fine. That's what brings the money in, advertisements of industry members, and when pool hits the big time, I hope Barry Hearn, et al., charges those greedy industry members up the ying-yang as payback for all these years the industry members are getting fat while the professional players are treated like pariahs.
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Number 1 in the Euro rankings at the age of 19. Not too shabby.

In the Grand Finale at World Pool Series in 2017 at the age of 18.

Mosconi Cup at the age of 19.

And these are just a few that come to mind at the time of this writing.

One thing to remember is that 30 years ago, there were no international competitors to speak of in USA at the major events. The championship titles back then were won against Americans, not international players that we have today on the tournament trail.

Of course, 30 years ago, we had a heck of a lot more American champions than we do today. We can thank the BCA and WPA for that.

I agree on all aspects.

He's one hell of a player. He's already achieved more than most ever will in pool but, GREATNESS compared to the GREATS such as Earl....etc..etc... Well, he's obviously not paid those "dues" yet.

Will he get there? Only time will tell.
 
Just watched the video of the interview. Honestly, on a scale of 1 to 10 for Earl's rants, that was nearer a 1. Tame by his standards. And Kaci is a good but not great player, he was spot on with that.

Liked it when he said the whole world's crazy, so why pick on his crazy.

wow. So if you saw him in your poolroom you wouldn't describe him as great, he is one of the greatest in the world by multiple measures. The ****ing question wasn't if he was in the runnin for GOAT. If he's good, then I guess earl sucks cause he got drilled. Don't get these non-objective fan boys. watch the match and look at the stats. If earls mind was over 12 years old he would have said "He played really well and has a bright future ahead of him". instead, he complained his left ear was too cold.
 
Just watched the video of the interview. Honestly, on a scale of 1 to 10 for Earl's rants, that was nearer a 1. Tame by his standards. And Kaci is a good but not great player, he was spot on with that.

Liked it when he said the whole world's crazy, so why pick on his crazy.

exactly,
why this thread is going overdrive is well...... ugh idk
 
... The BCA, consisting of industry members, decided that there was no money to be made in professional pool, I guess, and sold the BCA league to Mark Griffin, ...
Those are two unrelated things. The BCA was making money from its amateur leagues. My understanding is that a BCA member that is/was an amateur league decided that the BCA should not be directly competing against its own members and got enough board members to agree with them that they forced the BCA to sell the league. I have heard a rumor that the real hope was that there would be no buyer and the BCA league (and the competition it gave) would just evaporate.

Nasty, destructive politics, in my view.

I also feel that since the BCA no longer has any player members it has no right to be the governing body of pool in North America. It seems, however, to be the best of several bad choices.
 
My favorite line in the entire thread! Made me laugh, thanks.

By the way, did anyone else notice how young Earl looks for 58? More like 45. I do know that he exercises more than most of the young guys. I've heard him say he runs several miles every day and I believe it. He still looks slim and trim. If he could somehow cure his inner demons he might actually be able to play high level pool again. That would really be something. For me the saddest thing is to watch him play now and see him miss so many shots. I remember Earl in his prime and he had such a beautiful game, the way he worked that cue ball around the table and popped those balls in like sitting ducks. He would go through a rack like a hot knife through butter, and just as fast too! Break and run, break and run, on and on, rack after rack. He revolutionized tournament 9-Ball!

Lot of opinions in this thread, and I'm not sure any of them are likely to change anyone else's mind. But this particular post by Jay speaks the absolute truth on several levels.
 
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