Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

ricardo said:
Reyes - 5

When people consider him as the GOAT without even factoring his best game - 15 ball rotation, that says it all!
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 144
2 - Earl Strickland - 73
3 - Shane Van Boening - 72
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 62
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 59
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
LeftyIke said:
Reyes-2,Parica-2,Pagulayan-1.
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 146
2 - Earl Strickland - 73
3 - Shane Van Boening - 72
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 62
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 60
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
Marc said:
All around yes I agree Efren probably was

Reyes 5
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 151
2 - Earl Strickland - 73
3 - Shane Van Boening - 72
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 62
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 60
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
Tin Man said:
My picks:

Efren - 2
SVB - 1
Nick - 1
Alex - 1
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 153
2 - Shane Van Boening - 73
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Mike Sigel - 63
5 - Nick Varner - 63
6 - Alex Pagulayan - 61
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
kkdanamatt said:
It's obvious that Efren is #1, so he doesn't need my vote(s).
Considering all games (1-P, 14.1, 9B, 8B, etc.), Pagulayan probably deserves top billing.
So.....
Pagulayan-5
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Good job boosting Alex, causing a two-spot jump. He probably deserves it.

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

Here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 153
2 - Shane Van Boening - 73
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
5 - Mike Sigel - 63
6 - Nick Varner - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
I will give Efren 3 and SVB 2.

I admit that I haven't watched enough of some of the older players like Sigel or Varner to know how they would stack up against SVB. But I recall during one of the TAR matches I believe that one of the commentators that has seen them all play for decades, comment that he just doesn't see how anyone could play better than SVB played in that match.


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Get_A_Grip said:
I will give Efren 3 and SVB 2.

I admit that I haven't watched enough of some of the older players like Sigel or Varner to know how they would stack up against SVB. But I recall during one of the TAR matches I believe that one of the commentators that has seen them all play for decades, comment that he just doesn't see how anyone could play better than SVB played in that match.
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FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

After 56 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
5 - Mike Sigel - 63
6 - Nick Varner - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
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kkdanamatt said:
It's obvious that Efren is #1, so he doesn't need my vote(s).
Considering all games (1-P, 14.1, 9B, 8B, etc.), Pagulayan probably deserves top billing.
So.....
Pagulayan-5
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Nice move.

I like this idea Dave, thinking now though maybe 10 points to give out would’ve made the last 5-7 slots more accurate. I think most people felt they had to be really careful with their 5 to make sure the top spots had “the ones” without worrying so much about the others. True the thread is about finding the GOAT, but we all knew who would be there so I’m also interested in the rest of the list
 
JazzyJeff87 said:
Nice move.

I like this idea Dave, thinking now though maybe 10 points to give out would’ve made the last 5-7 slots more accurate. I think most people felt they had to be really careful with their 5 to make sure the top spots had “the ones” without worrying so much about the others. True the thread is about finding the GOAT, but we all knew who would be there so I’m also interested in the rest of the list
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Everybody does get 10 points total, but the last 5 are for the second round (starting tomorrow) after we finish trimming the list down to 10.

It looks like the Top 10 are fairly clear (especially the Top 6), so I think things are going well. I look forward to seeing how things change in the 2nd round now that people know more about how the voting and scoring works.

To me, the real goals are to find the Top 1 and the Top 5 (and the Top 10, to a lesser extent).

Regards,
Dave
 
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If people want to change how the Top 10 looks for the 2nd round, today is the last chance to bump a player up.

After 56 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
5 - Mike Sigel - 63
6 - Nick Varner - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Get those votes in,
Dave
 
Rico said:
Nick Varner 5 SQ
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Good job bumping Nick up two spots!

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

After 57 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 68
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
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deanoc said:
nick varner 5
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Wow. Nick is really hot in recent voting.

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

After 58 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 156
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
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sjm said:
Well, I'm not Dave, but I'll take a crack at this.

Efren is the best ever in two disciplines, eight ball and one pocket. Some say he's also the best 15-ball rotation player ever. He's a top ten ever at nine ball. He has always played his best in the toughest events and has captured so many of the game's biggest ever paydays. When he dabbled in straight pool, he managed a second place finish in the 1993 US Open 14.1 event. His ability to excel in every discipline within the game has blown us all away. His six Derby City Classic Master of the Table titles at Derby City further validate his claim to being the best all-around player in the modern era, and he's probably the best all-around player ever (no disrespect intended to Nick Varner, Luther Lassiter, or Harold Worst, who are in the conversation).

Yup, Efren's popular, but his ability to adapt to and excel at any game played on a pool table is what has blown us all away.
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I fully agree with this. And I believe the main reason is his touch. Nobody has ever controlled the cue ball like Efren. Even the pool player with the next best cue ball control (whomever that may be) isn't even on the same planet as Efren. He may have never been the most dominant 9-ball player, because 9-ball success relies heavily on breaking and precise cue ball control isn't always a determining factor (though he still beat Earl in a race to 120 when Earl was in his prime). But overall, it isn't even a question for me. Efren knows the most, and he's able to apply that knowledge with a touch that literally no other human has been able to demonstrate IMO. Efren gets all 5 points from me.

P.S. Efren is clearly going to win here. I think it would almost be more interesting to use this format to determine the 2nd greatest player of all time.
 
highkarate said:
I fully agree with this. And I believe the main reason is his touch. Nobody has ever controlled the cue ball like Efren. Even the pool player with the next best cue ball control (whomever that may be) isn't even on the same planet as Efren. He may have never been the most dominant 9-ball player, because 9-ball success relies heavily on breaking and precise cue ball control isn't always a determining factor (though he still beat Earl in a race to 120 when Earl was in his prime). But overall, it isn't even a question for me. Efren knows the most, and he's able to apply that knowledge with a touch that literally no other human has been able to demonstrate IMO. Efren gets all 5 points from me.

P.S. Efren is clearly going to win here. I think it would almost be more interesting to use this format to determine the 2nd greatest player of all time.
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The purpose of the voting and scoring is not just to determine the Top GOAT. That is obviously Efren. The purpose is to find the Top 10 GOAT. I'm sure the 2nd round of voting will help refine the short list some. For more info, see the first post.

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

After 59 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 161
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
The purpose of the voting and scoring is not just to determine the Top GOAT. That is obviously Efren. The purpose is to find the Top 10 GOAT. I'm sure the 2nd round of voting will help refine the short list some. For more info, see the first post.

FYI, I added your name and scores to the first post.

After 59 votes, here's the Current Top 15 (see the first post for the complete list of players and for voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 161
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 39
12 - Darren Appleton - 39
13 - Steve Miserzak - 37
14 - Allen Hopkins - 36
15 - Mika Immonen - 35

Thank you for participating,
Dave
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Ahhh I see. Top 10 GOAT is much more interesting. In that case, I will award all 5 points to Dennis O. He may not have the trophies of the other top 10, but he has held the top dog money player status for over a decade
 
The second round of voting begins today!

Everybody, whether you participated in the first round voting or not, gets to vote with 5 points in this round.

After 0 votes in the second round, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 161
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
The second round of voting begins today!

Everybody, whether you participated in the first round voting or not, gets to vote with 5 points in this round.

After 0 votes in the second round, here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 161
2 - Shane Van Boening - 75
3 - Earl Strickland - 73
4 - Nick Varner - 73
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 66
6 - Mike Sigel - 63
7 - Johnny Archer - 43
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 42
9 - Buddy Hall - 42
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 40

Thank you for participating,
Dave
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I believe post 198 brings Orcullo's total to 44, placing him sixth.
 
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