Mr 600

Now they can even say that the hardware or software malfunctioned and not pay out. Since the software is proprietary and secret, how does the player know? They have to take the words of the kind benevolent casino owners and managers and the good hands people behind them!

I quit playing internet poker because every software examined used by every poker site had superuser software. Want to play poker with your cards face up and the cards of everyone on the table face up except the superuser's? The other thing was people with money in the site were allowed to create dozens of users. Do you want to sit down at a nine handed game when seven of the hands are being ran by the same person?

Personal opinion, electronic gambling is far too open to cheating to play for anything but entertainment. Not that mechanical machines aren't often rigged too. One of the "how it is made" shows took apart an old slot machine. A bar fell into certain slots to determine wins and losses. The slot for the big win had a bolt and nut securely blocking it off!

Hu

Totally agree! I learned long ago that any game (or machine) one man created, another man could figure out how to cheat at it. I used to play online poker in its heyday and played in some fairly big games like $2,000 buy-in Pot Limit Omaha. I saw so many strange hands come down (one of them cost me a $6,000 pot!) that I swore off playing, except for small games.

There remains so much collusion going on with online poker that only a fool would risk any serious money playing it. Same can be said for live poker cash games. There are, and have been for a very long time, teams (3-5 guys) working the higher limit games in the biggest card rooms in the country. Their "signals" would rival those of any major league baseball coach. That's going on right now as I type this!

P.S. I've seen crooked Blackjack shoes and dice tables and met the people who made them. For some reason, cheats often like to hang around with pool players, hoping to learn something about our game.
 
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My biggest odds beater:

Jerry and I were in Reno. We had, once again, managed to finance a late night drive to the casinos to the north/east after the pool room closed. That night, for unknown reasons, we chose Reno, "The Biggest Little Town" rather than the southern shores of Lake Tahoe.

We got to Reno early in the morning and played blackjack but the cards didn't run in our favor. Then there was some roulette which was... a disaster. We literally got down to our last $10. (Wisely, after many previous perilous situations, we had stashed gas money in the glove compartment of my '65 Mustang for the return journey.)

So, we're wandering around the floor of Harrah's and I turn to Jerry with our last two five dollar chips in hand and ask, "Whadda ya want to do?"

And Jerry says, ''The forty-to-one on the Wheel-of-Fortune. I blink a couple of times and ask, "You sure?!" knowing in my heart, even at that tender age, it was a major sucker bet and Jerry says, "Yes. The *purple* 40-1." (There were two 40-1's which probably pumped the odds way past 40-1 but I digress.)

We walk up to the table, croupier decked out in colorful vest and bowtie, and place our bet.

He spins the wheel.

And the big Wheel-of-Fortune gets spinning merrily, eventually slowing down and the croupier, looking up at his mirror (to face the losers, er bettor), mutters a low but distinct, "I... don't... believe... it."

We hit the 40-1. The *purple* 40-1.

Jerry and and I whoop it up appropriately. At this stage we are dead on our feet but now have enough to get a cheap room and battle the blackjack tables the next day. We sleep like babies, get coffee the next day, and are back at it in the morning.

ah youth.

Lou Figueroa
 
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bots

Even the cheap internet poker sites have bots at the table too. Have to remember that the players are from around the world and some places a thousand dollars a month US or less is a major score, especially if they could do it month after month.

In addition, there was at least one site with a public forum for bot builders. They built, tested, and swapped code. It was a constant thing. These people too could play for small stakes, they might have a dozen or more bots running at the same time. Again, besides the fact of a player that never got tired or made a mistake playing odds, you might be playing multiple bots from the same user. I actually got pretty good at beating the bots because as a general rule they retreated in the face of a shove or strong aggression, they were coded to protect their stack.

It was fun to pick apart the bots and at that time they were usually beatable. It was funny to steal a nice pot from a bot when it was physically impossible to have them beat. That bot wasn't programmed to deal with a comparatively high stakes bluff.

Sometimes bots played for days in a row 24/7 without a break. One I was watching was left on Friday evening and played straight through until Monday. Never a food or leak break, it played every hand. I'm sure somebody looked at their computer Monday and said oops! A bit too obvious.

I could beat the wilder players, I could beat most of the bots, what I couldn't beat was superusers that could see my cards and tables with half or more of the players being ran by the same person.

One of the funniest cheats I ever pulled at cards real world was on a college kid. Caught him cheating a table of jr high and high school students when I was in jr high. We were playing for small stakes but not small stakes for the players involved. I forget exactly how many players we had and the game, might have been draw.

Anyway, after the deal, I just casually fanned the rest of the deck while everyone was checking their cards, my hand laying on the table faking the rest of deck. I did alright choosing from fifteen or twenty cards while everyone else was choosing from five. Busted the college kid and later split with the rest of the players! Ass was my older sister's boyfriend or at least somebody she was dating. Dropped him like he was hot after I told her what happened.

Hu
 
Now they can even say that the hardware or software malfunctioned and not pay out. Since the software is proprietary and secret, how does the player know? They have to take the words of the kind benevolent casino owners and managers and the good hands people behind them!

I quit playing internet poker because every software examined used by every poker site had superuser software. Want to play poker with your cards face up and the cards of everyone on the table face up except the superuser's? The other thing was people with money in the site were allowed to create dozens of users. Do you want to sit down at a nine handed game when seven of the hands are being ran by the same person?

Personal opinion, electronic gambling is far too open to cheating to play for anything but entertainment. Not that mechanical machines aren't often rigged too. One of the "how it is made" shows took apart an old slot machine. A bar fell into certain slots to determine wins and losses. The slot for the big win had a bolt and nut securely blocking it off!

Hu

At one point, a person didn't have to be part owner or associated in any way to be able to occupy more than one seat at a time at the same table while playing for real money on the online casino's.

At one time, all you had to do is have 4, 5, 6, 7, or even 8 computers and have a "real" IP hider for each, as long as you didn't live in the US or a couple other places.

All you had to do was set up legit emails and bank accounts for each computer. Put the "x" number of monitors on a large desk. The computers almost had to be hard wired. Wireless was not very smart since you forfeited any hand where you lost connection.

There were smarter ways to do it but, it forced you to have partners (or witnesses...lol).

You would go online and enter the site with each computer.

After you had as many as you wanted at table, lol....lets just say you could control the game 99% of the time.

There was one drawback. Lol.....this is what I witnessed:

He's sitting at 8 seats and one other person sits. Its 1k / 2k no limit holdem. All 8 of his hands end up with pairs or connected and suited. This is what he had:

2/2
10/10
6/6
A/A
J/Q suited
8/9 suited
Q/K suited
4/5 suited


Well, the "one" other person raises to 3k pre flop. He calls with all his hands....odds, remember? He is 24k in at this point and hasn't even seen a flop.

Well, the flop comes and it shows promise on several of his hands. It was 2 hearts, 3 hearts and 6 diamonds.

He bet 4k with one of his hands just to make sure he get something in the pot, because he was expecting the other player to fold. Lol... then...the one person calls his 4k bet.

At this point he had 40k invested and the turn hasn't even come and the "one" player at table has shown he is staying.

The turn comes and its a J of spades.

Now he has lots of possibilities. He's liking it a lot.

He checks his hands But, the other player actually bets another 4k....lol.

Of course, he called with the possible boats and the flopped str8 and the Q/K suited (hearts) for the possible flush. It seemed it was a lock to win with one of them.

Now he has to put another 16k in pot. He cant fold the possible boats, the possible flush and especially the flopped str8....right? Now he has 56k in pot.

The river comes and it's a freaking 3 of diamonds.

He bets 2k to look like he's trying to trap. Well, the other player pushes it to 10k. Lol....of course my buddy folded all but the str8 and called the other 8k.

At that point he had 60k invested.

The other player had 3/3 in the hole. Lol.....

It was a damn good thing he was and still is a very wealthy individual. I about had a stroke. He just shakes his head, smiles and refills each hand and then....poof....the player that hit him stood up and left table.

I'll never forget that smile on his face. It reminded me of the look on Efren's face when he gets a bad roll or happens to miss a shot or safe.

We've all watched Efren smile and shrug things off that piss most people off.

Anyways, a while later, someone came out with the program that allowed you to see everyone's cards but, that particular program was and still is extremely hard to run without throwing flags everywhere.

Around the same time, my friend gets married and stopped playing online and moved to Vegas...lol.

Yep, Vegas LOVES him.

BTW, he's not a pool player. He says it's to boring and looks like to kuch work...lol.

Jeff
 
Anyone who would ever be stupid enough to gamble real live money on the internet against an "invisible machine" is a simon pure fool and deserves every loss they ever experienced.
Gambling against a machine that is visible is tough enough, but at least those are tougher to gaff.
I've read some of the bad beat stories from some of these 'expert' gamblers and I don't believe a word of it.
In real life, most wouldn't bet a dollar unless they had a mortal lead pipe cinch and had the mark tied to a chair with chains....they're not stupid enough to throw their money away at some internet poker site.
(as some have said about certain pool players breaking records....."produce the video or it never happened") :wink:
They're just cutting up jackpots as they've done all their lives.
 
I dunno...there's plenty of people who won't bet $100 at a set of pool with a fair handicap that have no problem taking 1k to the casinos.

Anyone who would ever be stupid enough to gamble real live money on the internet against an "invisible machine" is a simon pure fool and deserves every loss they ever experienced.
Gambling against a machine that is visible is tough enough, but at least those are tougher to gaff.
I've read some of the bad beat stories from some of these 'expert' gamblers and I don't believe a word of it.
In real life, most wouldn't bet a dollar unless they had a mortal lead pipe cinch and had the mark tied to a chair with chains....they're not stupid enough to throw their money away at some internet poker site.
(as some have said about certain pool players breaking records....."produce the video or it never happened") :wink:
They're just cutting up jackpots as they've done all their lives.
 
I can't figure out how those casinos make money. Everybody I talk to wins.

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Lots of paranoia and ignorance here.
That was very nearly a complete sentence.

On the plus side, you drew 5 of a kind
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Anyone who would ever be stupid enough to gamble real live money on the internet against an "invisible machine" is a simon pure fool and deserves every loss they ever experienced.
Gambling against a machine that is visible is tough enough, but at least those are tougher to gaff.
I've read some of the bad beat stories from some of these 'expert' gamblers and I don't believe a word of it.
In real life, most wouldn't bet a dollar unless they had a mortal lead pipe cinch and had the mark tied to a chair with chains....they're not stupid enough to throw their money away at some internet poker site.
(as some have said about certain pool players breaking records....."produce the video or it never happened") :wink:
They're just cutting up jackpots as they've done all their lives.

I don't have many wealthy friends. Hell, lol....I don't have many friends in general but, I do have one very old friend that could warm his house by burning real money and probably still wouldn't go hungry.

To most (including myself), throwing 50k, 100k etc...etc away once a month is completely insane and as you said, almost unbelievable.

Thing is, there are people that can and DO exactly that.

Must be nice to have that deep of a pocket.

Also, like someone above said, those same people wouldn't bet even $100 on a real game of pool played in the same room where they were either gonna play or even just watch.

Takes all kinds.

Jeff
 
What is possible

Yeah, there were hard ways that were effective too. Kids were betting hundreds of thousands a day total to end up ahead low thousands. Even a two percent winner isn't bad with that much in play. If you don't build up a stake early you can get in deep shlt! Very hard to play kids that haven't really lived on their own yet. They don't truly value money and can win and lose it like monopoly money!

Back in the nineties I was a system engineer and MasterCNE when that meant something. I was a high tech asset!:D Now I kind of know what is possible in theory with no idea how to or interest in carrying it out. I said I was going to really learn the software running my next computer. I find I can't really be bothered since I know it won't make me a dime in retirement. I compete for fun. More and more it seems like everything else has to have a dollar motive!

Hu




At one point, a person didn't have to be part owner or associated in any way to be able to occupy more than one seat at a time at the same table while playing for real money on the online casino's.

At one time, all you had to do is have 4, 5, 6, 7, or even 8 computers and have a "real" IP hider for each, as long as you didn't live in the US or a couple other places.

All you had to do was set up legit emails and bank accounts for each computer. Put the "x" number of monitors on a large desk. The computers almost had to be hard wired. Wireless was not very smart since you forfeited any hand where you lost connection.

There were smarter ways to do it but, it forced you to have partners (or witnesses...lol).

You would go online and enter the site with each computer.

After you had as many as you wanted at table, lol....lets just say you could control the game 99% of the time.

There was one drawback. Lol.....this is what I witnessed:

He's sitting at 8 seats and one other person sits. Its 1k / 2k no limit holdem. All 8 of his hands end up with pairs or connected and suited. This is what he had:

2/2
10/10
6/6
A/A
J/Q suited
8/9 suited
Q/K suited
4/5 suited


Well, the "one" other person raises to 3k pre flop. He calls with all his hands....odds, remember? He is 24k in at this point and hasn't even seen a flop.

Well, the flop comes and it shows promise on several of his hands. It was 2 hearts, 3 hearts and 6 diamonds.

He bet 4k with one of his hands just to make sure he get something in the pot, because he was expecting the other player to fold. Lol... then...the one person calls his 4k bet.

At this point he had 40k invested and the turn hasn't even come and the "one" player at table has shown he is staying.

The turn comes and its a J of spades.

Now he has lots of possibilities. He's liking it a lot.

He checks his hands But, the other player actually bets another 4k....lol.

Of course, he called with the possible boats and the flopped str8 and the Q/K suited (hearts) for the possible flush. It seemed it was a lock to win with one of them.

Now he has to put another 16k in pot. He cant fold the possible boats, the possible flush and especially the flopped str8....right? Now he has 56k in pot.

The river comes and it's a freaking 3 of diamonds.

He bets 2k to look like he's trying to trap. Well, the other player pushes it to 10k. Lol....of course my buddy folded all but the str8 and called the other 8k.

At that point he had 60k invested.

The other player had 3/3 in the hole. Lol.....

It was a damn good thing he was and still is a very wealthy individual. I about had a stroke. He just shakes his head, smiles and refills each hand and then....poof....the player that hit him stood up and left table.

I'll never forget that smile on his face. It reminded me of the look on Efren's face when he gets a bad roll or happens to miss a shot or safe.

We've all watched Efren smile and shrug things off that piss most people off.

Anyways, a while later, someone came out with the program that allowed you to see everyone's cards but, that particular program was and still is extremely hard to run without throwing flags everywhere.

Around the same time, my friend gets married and stopped playing online and moved to Vegas...lol.

Yep, Vegas LOVES him.

BTW, he's not a pool player. He says it's to boring and looks like to kuch work...lol.

Jeff
 
nope

The second statement wasn’t directed at you

I will decide what is directed towrds me and what is not 2nd rate hack pt109. this probly won't make any sense to u - but if u mind yer own - u stay busy all the time. if u want to really get in my business aim yer cue in my direction - u will walk lighter when the dust settles.
 
I will decide what is directed towrds me and what is not 2nd rate hack pt109. this probly won't make any sense to u - but if u mind yer own - u stay busy all the time. if u want to really get in my business aim yer cue in my direction - u will walk lighter when the dust settles.

Dammit, Danny. The man said he wasn't talking to you.

What about that suggests he wants to get in your business?

Do you yell at the first person you see after a horn honks? Wtf?!
 
3rd rate

and I would say yer a 3rd rate hack - that cannot read. Learn to read if yer going to attempt to listens to the dudes story - your like a child that wonders into the middle of a movie.
 
Yes, ran a 95 on bertha just a couple days ago and it was kindy' smooth - thanks for asking - i still love the game- they will never take that away from me Lou.

Did you draw that picture under your name? I love it.


Shut it balls, with your 5 hr energy lol.

A rhetorical question all dat jaz'. oh and then attempting to give an order - power trip much? It would seem your hacking for an argument - no thanks - I have talent for other than u sir and yer mediaohchruddy'.

The second statement wasn’t directed at you

No I was seriously interested. I’ve seen it before and wondered the same. I can’t zoom much so I like to think it’s a lady ripping a hole out of the world for a gentleman of some kind. Possibly they’re lovers as I’m a romantic and I despise unrequited love.

Good night azb, I’ve done my off topics for the week

I will decide what is directed towrds me and what is not 2nd rate hack pt109. this probly won't make any sense to u - but if u mind yer own - u stay busy all the time. if u want to really get in my business aim yer cue in my direction - u will walk lighter when the dust settles.

Well, I guess we all have to live with what we are
 
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