The story behind the Jackot cues

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I don't recall dean ever stating jack was to do the labor.

A secondary point, but not irrelevant, imo.

stumpie71 said:
Full disclosure, I did not purchase or own a Jackpot Cue.

Just to be clear. The cues were supposedly made by Jack Porter formerly of Libra cue, and advertised as such. Not a Schmelke, Viking, or anything else correct?!
Why is this even a debate?
Regardless of how the cue plays or the persons have been treated by the Seller it is fraud.

Fraud
noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
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deanoc said:
I made and sold some cues that my customers loved,but a certain civic minded group interested in other peoples business have chosen to respond with highly abusive language



if you did not know better you might get the idea that customers were mad,but not in this case.The customers are happy.



I enjoyedsuch a fine reputation on this forum that for years i sold Mystery cues. I would not tell a single fact and ask the customer to send up to $1500 and I would send them a wonderful cue



I did this perhaps a dozen times and the customers with out exception loved what they got, When thet posted pictures ,others laughed and wrote me happy messages saying things like "i will get the next one"



Some people were offended. This isn't right,never mind that the customer is happy,I find this offensive ,they said



Well there are hundreds of people who have scomplimented my treatment,they left positive feedback . In other words they left word to tell others that I was a good guy over 270 so far



This also offended some people because they did not think a fella with my style or lack thereof should sell so much while they did not



Well the current issue is over a cue that jack potter and I designed and commissioned

to be made by a fine old USA company.



The customers ordered and were/are happy but our detractors seem to think that itwas a scam.We offered a full money back to anyone for three orso weeks.

No one took us up for this reason.



In fact some customers ordered 3 or 4 more cues after everything you are about to read was stated .



But our friends ,felt a need to explain to happy customers how stupid they were, they are told that they have been scammed.



It is hard to imagine why the customers are defending us and the non customers

are so determined that the average guy needs help knowing his own mind



I encourage you to read their comments,but let me warn you.They have used very foul abusive language,and some vulgarity in describing yours truly.



You might be confused how anyone would want to stick their nose in other peoples busuiness. You might even decide ythat yours truly must be a con man



I,it might confuse you to see satisfied customers occasionally daring to speak up in our defense, why do these happy buyers defend the very man accused of foul play



Some have left this forum,saying that there are too many drama queens on here,

Others fit right in,some love it



You will see what I mean,you ill catch on to the loving spirit in just a few seconds



Over all this is a wondeful place to talk about the game of pool.

There is one guy Dr Dave who offers tremendous videos and instruction.



There is a nice forum where you can select a cue of your choice, some of these comments are made by people who want to help you with your choice



Yu will have to ask yourself two questions



1 Why are they so helpful or what business is it of theirs

2 Do you think you need their kind of help



Before you decide,read these enlighting comments buckle up and feel the love

Welcome to AZ Billiards,enjoy yourself

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I just wanted to quote this new response so I don't have to scroll to the top to find it. So you really think editing your initial response to this garbage makes things any better? The "Civic minded group" you refer to is the overwhelming majority of AZBilliards. You lied, cheated, and stole money from people and are now playing the victim. If you had just started a GoFundMe, or told people exactly what was going on from the start....you probably would have sold the same # of cues, and it all could have been in good conscience. Instead, you chose to be shady....you chose to advertise in the wrong place....you chose to be deceitful...and you are getting exactly what you deserve.

For the people who are defending you, I truly am glad you got a cue that you're happy with the hit of. I'm glad you don't mind that you spent money on a cue that you could have received direct from Schmelke for less. In the end, your money did go to a good cause. That being said, your happiness does not change the level of wrongdoing that occured.

The sad part in all of this is it makes Jack look like he was intentionally a part of this, and I highly doubt he was. In the end, all he did was agree to finish some cues....made a few bucks to help with his expenses...and now ends up in a fiasco all because Dean can't just step up and apologize...or even better, just LET THIS DIE.

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Just my personal opinion, but the "Jackpot" cues pictured previously look like a decent cue for $250 - $350. Not a $500 cue. But like they say, opinions are like …..
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't recall dean ever stating jack was to do the labor.



A secondary point, but not irrelevant, imo.
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I'm done doing searches for people but it was very specifically stated that he was going to be doing the final work on each shaft. Is the info already brought out not enough to make a person uncomfortable.

What's that Schmell like to you?

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poolhustler said:
Just my personal opinion, but the "Jackpot" cues pictured previously look like a decent cue for $250 - $350. Not a $500 cue. But like they say, opinions are like …..
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but this isn't the point, at all.

It's that they were presented as something they were not, good value/bad value notwithstanding.
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't recall dean ever stating jack was to do the labor.

A secondary point, but not irrelevant, imo.
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Walter;

There was lots of inference, at minimum:

Dean said:

People are always asking me"what is the best cue i can buy for $1000?"

Well here it is at half that price

But only a few lucky stiffs will get one,he made 12
and there is no guarantee he will make more


JACK POTTER OF LIBRA CUE FAME

Billy Stroud,tell em about Jack if you read this


and Dean also posted this:


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Originally Posted by deanoc View Post
I hope to get Jack to post some pictures of himself and his latest cues

They are not fancy but are just what you would expect a serious player
to have

please bear with us,the pictures will not appear here until the new owners
have the pleasure of a surprise box opening

very seasonal delight
Merry Christmas
 
You may have to expand to see the bolded part...but didn't want to edit it.

deanoc said:
Response to black balled

we neither need nor want your business,you are black balled from buying from us
your arrogant tone is displeasing to me

I have sold Mystery cues that no one knew what they were getting and everyone was happy

When I first joined Az I sold a new Deano cue,people called me a crook
but 70 people bought the cue and loved it

Over 250 people have posted good replies,ZERO negative feed back

Tim Scruggs,voted one of the 3 best hitting cues on Az tried one of my cues and changed his taper

Jack Potter of Libra cue fame is putting his reputation on the cues
For about $500 each buyer will receive a cue with 3 shafts Jack's cues are praised for his shafts

We are sending 3 different tapered shafts with each cue to each buyer for them to try
<b>Jack will personally finish each shaft</b>

No one gets any choice or input on these
no one gets a guarantee of any kind

if you are worried about us not being ethical ,don't buy

These demonstrators are for you to test,if you think it is the best hitting cue,order a nicer one
if not complain,black balled is already complaining because we won't cater to his stupid questions

i see where he got his name,he is black balled from ever doing business with us



several have already requested to get one,we will start with 10

these will not feature the very clearest shafts nor highest gloss finish

we are hoping to put a great playing cue in your hands

If $500 seems high,please don't buy one
this is a gamble on your part and if you don't like it
we don't want to be responsible for your disaster

We plan to make a really nice looking cue,but it is not our first priority
Play is our first priority
and low cost to enable you to experiment without breaking the bank

Contact me by phone or PM

Dean
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logical said:
You may have to expand to see the bolded part...but didn't want to edit it.



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That whole post is a treasure. Here you can see the wild Deano in their natural environment, lashing out at reasonable questions that they deem "stupid"

Also Dean went ahead and put Jack's reputation on these cues. Whoops.
 
Well I fish too. But then again fishermen have been known to,,, embellish, yeah that's the word.

Funny about Dean coming from Texas and all. He tells cue stories like a Bluefin tuna fisherman.
 
Scrunge19 said:
If these cues really are the nuts, why are there almost no pictures of them out there?
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I refuse to feed the trolls.
Funny how all the pissing and moaning comes from nits who have never even seen or touched one of these cues.
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't recall dean ever stating jack was to do the labor.

A secondary point, but not irrelevant, imo.
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He said a couple of times that Jack "made" the cues, made the batch, etc. Reading his post from September 13 below, "he and his friends" who had the equipment and skills to build Jack's design. His insinuation is that someone with a shop would work with Jack to build the cues. He had to say this because people who knew jack knows he doesn't have the machinery do do this, even if he could.

In the post below, Dean already had a couple of prototypes that he was pleased with, so that means he already knew the source when he started this fraud.

I don't see how this post below translates to "I have a couple of Schmelke's that me and Jack like, so I'm going to call them Jackpot cues and say Jack made them in order to sell a couple dozen.


"i have talked Jack into making a few more to see how it goes. He has friends who have machinery , experience and skills to work with Jack to put the Libra cue designs and internal constuction that you associate with Jack and Libra cues back into reality

The new cues with Jacks design and distinctive play will be called Jackpot,Jack didn't feel right calling them Libra ,since he no longer has his machinest and good friend Johnny Sanchez helping him.

Lets find out with some inexopensive cues if jack still has the touch. If he does he plans to make a larger investment in high tech equipment and making really fancy designs he has been dreaming about.

Lets see what you guys think Especially with the shafts, Jack seemed to have a magic touch with shafts. he felt like the shaft was by far the most important part.
My friends jerrry franklin and barry szamboti have expressed the same thoughts to me before.

We are hoping the play enables you to enjoy the game with maple shafts,tapered with a desire to improve playability that some will prefer to the high tech alternatives.

the ideas and proto types have pleased us,,but you will have to decide for yourself if you want to try something new ,and then if you like the play as much as we do

 
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Ipmtim said:
I refuse to feed the trolls.
Funny how all the pissing and moaning comes from nits who have never even seen or touched one of these cues.
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Most of us have touched Schmelke's. They are a nice, cheap cue.
 
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Ipmtim said:
I refuse to feed the trolls.

Funny how all the pissing and moaning comes from nits who have never even seen or touched one of these cues.
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It's an open forum. Dean opened the discussion. Although he's now rewritten his OP it wasn't a thread looking to establish that buyers feel they got a good cue. It was a fantasy filled explanation of the sales tactics used to hype them and it was filled with misrepresentations of the truth. It contained no less that 6 name drops of cue makers who like Jack had nothing to do with the use other than having had a passing conversation about them with Dean at some point. Any forum member has the right to comment on his real original post. I have a no name cue I got on Ebay that plays as good as any $1000 cue I've handled and is finished pretty nicely...I think I paid $59. If people who paid 5 or 6 bills for a $200 Schmelke production cue are happy that's great but it doesn't in my mind say that everyone else is supposed to ignore the lies.

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