I am not sure which point you mean and when everyone starts bashing each other I really don’t pay much attention
But I will say this dan
If both sides stayed out of the others sandbox
It would never get to this
CTE Video Of The Day - #41 & #42
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I am not sure which point you mean and when everyone starts bashing each other I really don’t pay much attention
But I will say this dan
If both sides stayed out of the others sandbox
It would never get to this
I shouldn't have posted in this thread. I know.
I have watched all of Stan's videos too many times all ready. But then I think, maybe I missed something. So I browse your daily CTE clips, then I see or hear something that is obviously incorrect, impossible, or illogical, and the same old questions arise that others have spent years arguing over. It's a bad habit, and I'm trying to break it. But sometimes it's too hard to resist pointing out things that I know others are probably struggling with also after watching a few of these videos. With any other aiming, all feedback is useful for helping others.
I'll try to refrain from CTE threads. I have been a backslider I admit. Videos like that #41 and a couple of others where Stan is just flat wrong about certain things, well....those are hard to let go. But you're right, none of it concerns me, so I have no reason to share my experience or voice my opinion on the subject.
You're more than welcome to say what is flat wrong about certain things as well as incorrect, impossible, illogical and whatever else you believe in a PM to me.
List them one by one. In here is just like it was 20 years ago and we know THAT doesn't work. Especially with the same exact cast of anti-characters.
To catch you up to speed, start here on the LAST PAGE and work your way from thread to thread, page to page, post to post and number of pages from 56 to 1 (current) and you'll see what I mean.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=95&order=desc&page=56
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I give up Larry. You seem to have trouble discerning between actual discussion of the aiming method and personal attacks and deflection. One side discusses the geometry and science and the other side calls those people idiots and everything else you can imagine. Then you step in and say everybody is at fault. If that is what you really believe after all this time then I don't know what else to say, other than what I opened with -- I give up.
You're right. And I do understand. Imma try harder to keep my nose clean and not pollute your cte threads, especially when I misread a direct quote and plainly state that it says something else. That one hurt a little! Pretty dumb thing to do.
You're right. And I do understand. Imma try harder to keep my nose clean and not pollute your cte threads, especially when I misread a direct quote and plainly state that it says something else. That one hurt a little! Pretty dumb thing to do.
Yeah, that was a good one alright. I think I'll always have to hold it over your head. "Hey Brian, remember the time....."
:grin-devilish: :rotflmao1:
Fractional references are used only as visual markers to arrive at a certain cb-ob alignment/perception. Neither of the two visuals are viewed from a center cb perspective, but more of a peripheral perspective. But the visuals do allow you to align to a certain cb-ob relationship through ccb, a "fixed" cb as Stan calls it.
This view of ccb is the perception line. From here, for manual pivots, you move straight into the cb but with your shaft exactly half a tip left or right of this perception line (so the left or right edge/side of your tip is flush with ccb), then pivot back to ccb to arrive on the shot line. Sure, one could look straight through ccb from the point where you have the perception, and see where the line hits in relation to the ob, and I guess that point could be your reference. Then it would be a fractional type reference.
Here's a cool experiment:
Place the cb on the headspot and place the ob about one diamond away, a straight in shot to one of the far corner pockets. Now line up to shoot the shot. Ensure your cue looks perfectly aligned to pocket the straight in shot. This is the result of a 15-outside. In other, after using the visuals to get the 15° perception, then doing an outside pivot, this is where your cue will end up, lined for a straight in shot
From here, with your tip close to the cb, move your entire setup (bridge hand and cue) exactly half a tip right of that straight in shot line, then pivot the tip back to ccb. You will now be on the perception line, the fixed cb line that the CTE visuals lead to. We just worked backward from a known result to arrive at a starting point for that known result. Only we're doing it from directly behind the cb instead of using the visuals to get there. Regardless, this is the reference line, the same ccb perspective as the 15° perception.
Now if you look at where you think the ob will go if shot from here, you'll see that you're going to cut the ball a little to the right, away from the pocket. So a halftip offset pivot to the left (which is "outside" the perceived angle) would put you right back to straight in on the ob. But if you were to move your setup (bridge hand and cue) exactly half a tip to the right ("inside" the perceived angle or reference/perception line), then pivot to ccb, you'll land on a thinner shot line. This is the 15-inside.
Now.... move the ob farther away from the cb. The system/method and repeat the steps above, working backward from a known straight in shot. You'll notice the 15-inside will create a thinner cut angle. This shows that the 15° perception reference doesn't always provide the same results like a fractional ob reference point does.
dan
dont give up....
you cant tell an atheist there is a god
maybe a bad analogy
it doesnt matter if you are right....:yikes::yikes::yikes:
and yes everyone is at fault...OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE IT
what you dont get or wont accept is to let them believe what they want
it doesnt matter if its right or wrong
like i said
make a sticky of your "proof" its not scientifically valid
AND LEAVE THEM ALONE
if you leave them alone there would be no more flame wars
i am not saying they are angels
they are not (especially low500 )
Jehovah witness people often harass alot of people trying to save everyone
you guys are somewhat like that
in a way you are bull dogs not willing to stop until the cte guys cry uncle
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
jmho
to me it really doesnt matter who is right
its that this forum is like going to the coliseum to watch the gladiators fight the lions
more entertainment than educational which is what it should be
its like CJ WILEY
his TOI is alittle controversial and the " scientists" from badgering him threw him off the forum for a long time
THE GUY IS A WORLD CHAMPION FOR CHRISTS SAKE
HE BELIEVES IN IT AND IT HELPED WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
regardless if it is scientifically sound doesnt matter
IT WORKED FOR HIM
let those that work out how to make it work for them alone
why cant YOU just let them(CTE AND ANY SYSTEM YOU THINK IS SCIENTIFICALLY FLAWED) be
if youdont respond to anything else
can you answer the question i Bolded ?
you force me to defend "them" and i think they are also guilty
but if there was no push from either side
there would be no push back
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 PLUS YEARS
YOU GIYS ARE THE AIMING HATFIELD AND MCCOYS
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JC
Coos Cues
In all fairness Stan played better before he ever dreamed of CTE Pro1 than he does now. He was younger or whatever but that's the cold hard truth.
He's just a good pool player and playing as well as he does means nothing when analyzing his system's logic.
Simple. The system we are discussing is advertised that it can do things that are impossible. Some new players try it out and wonder why it doesn't work for them. In your world the only answer they would receive is "You're doing it wrong" when the reality is that the system cannot deliver what is promised. Some people are able to fudge their way around the flaw and not realize that is what happened, and others are not. I don't see why helping that second group understand what is going on is a bad thing.
I agree with you that the flaming is unfortunate, but 99% of the time we know where that is coming from. Maybe you have noticed that there is less bickering now that those two guys have put a couple of us on ignore and were warned by Mike. You don't see the same angry insults and childish behavior out of "our side," do you?
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thank you for responding dan
as i said before i am not trying to stop you (collectively ) from voicing your opinion
but i think it would be less disruptive if you had a thread or sticky
"let me save you from the not able to deliver what is promised system cte"
or whatever title you feel is appropriate
and list and explain all the salient points you want to include
rather than rehashing the same thing over and over
the cte people could have their own thread /sticky
why cte works or rebuttal to dan whites thread or whatever title they feel is appropriate
then in every thread you could post "see this link" ONCE
they could post "see this link"ONCE
and then the thread could go on with the cte people explaining the ops questions with no more comments from non believers
it would save pages and pages and pages of bickering saying the same things over and over and over again
i still think if both sides just let the other side be is better ...icbw
but my suggestion above should alleviate your feeling of being censored and not allowed to voice your opinion
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See...I told you so
I said it would happen....in a previous post.
The Grouchy Posse cannot control themselves. They always have a "reason" why they are just soooo right and perfect in saving others from the horrors of CTE aiming.
The only way it will ever stop completely from them is for the boss to just eliminate the Aiming Forum entirely.
(which isn't such a bad idea either, in my opinion) Wouldn't bother me one bit for him to do so.
Regards,
P.L.
Larry.
I said it would happen....in a previous post.
The Grouchy Posse cannot control themselves. They always have a "reason" why they are just soooo right and perfect in saving others from the horrors of CTE aiming.
The only way it will ever stop completely from them is for the boss to just eliminate the Aiming Forum entirely.
(which isn't such a bad idea either, in my opinion) Wouldn't bother me one bit for him to do so.
Regards,
P.L.
JC
Coos Cues
Been tried. Before the aiming forum this same crap littered the main forum.
if a sticky was allowed
one for youze guys .....one for them
would you agree to what i suggested in my prior post?
are we on to a truce agrrement????:clapping::clapping::kiss:
"been tried before and the same crap littered the main forum". Didn't know that. I haven't been around that long.
I have un-ignored all of them just to watch what happens...believe me it will. They cannot control their urges to "save the world from the horrors and lies of CTE aiming"
Then proceed to just ban the entire lot from this "aiming forum" entirely. Send 'em to the NPR forum where war is the by-word.
The following should be banned from the aiming forum completely. And check their IP # to make sure they don't sneak back in under another name and start it all over again.
Low 500<===(especially that little no good S.O.B.). Dan White. SpiderMan. BC21. Duckie. JC. Lou Figueroa. Patrick Johnson. StraightLine.
That will be a great start toward peace in the valley, in my opinion.
your post is very antagonistic and would only provoke resistance and not cooperation
jmho
icbw