What is the most important thing in your shop?

But as I said he is not paying the rent of a few Cues a year, so he is like the guy who sell a photo or two a year to the AP. Hobby photographer.
 
Well each of us have opinions, and ideas.
Bruce....The problem is, your opinion is wrong. How can you have a "customer" for a product before the product is even an idea? All great ideas are put into action because the developer has an idea that they MAY have a customer for their product after the product is put into service.
Did Bill Gates have all of his customers before? Did Steve Jobs have all of his customers before? Did Henry Ford have all of his customers before?
The answer to those 3 questions are a resounding yes. In their minds they all had the customers before they developed their products.
HOWEVER, if they did a shitty job with product development and/or customer service after the fact they would have no customers.
So how can the customer be the most important?
So people agree with me
I don't believe anyone agrees with you. If they do, they would be wrong also.
As for Joey statement he is a hobby builder
And you know this because? Even if it were true, what does this have to do with your chicken or the egg theory?


I believe it would be best for you to stay in the main forum section and keep your wild and crazy theories of building cues up there. People that actually build cues are in this section and know what they are talking about. Well, most do anyway.
That's why it's called "Ask the cuemaker" section.
Not the "Hello, My name is Cocobolo Cowboy and I don't have a clue" section.
 
Bruce....The problem is, your opinion is wrong. How can you have a "customer" for a product before the product is even an idea? All great ideas are put into action because the developer has an idea that they MAY have a customer for their product after the product is put into service.
Did Bill Gates have all of his customers before? Did Steve Jobs have all of his customers before? Did Henry Ford have all of his customers before?
The answer to those 3 questions are a resounding yes. In their minds they all had the customers before they developed their products.
HOWEVER, if they did a shitty job with product development and/or customer service after the fact they would have no customers.
So how can the customer be the most important?

I don't believe anyone agrees with you. If they do, they would be wrong also.

And you know this because? Even if it were true, what does this have to do with your chicken or the egg theory?


I believe it would be best for you to stay in the main forum section and keep your wild and crazy theories of building cues up there. People that actually build cues are in this section and know what they are talking about. Well, most do anyway.
That's why it's called "Ask the cuemaker" section.
Not the "Hello, My name is Cocobolo Cowboy and I don't have a clue" section.

Well Dave my experience in my small business was, Clients & Customers were one who paid my bills.

if they did not I would not have survived.

Many business fail because they have good products, or services. But no income flow, because no customers.
 
Trying to make sense of ANYTHING that locococo spouts is a one-way trip to a straight-jacket in a rubber room.

Well try a rebuttal of facts. Might try starting & running business. Then report your finding after a year or two if you still in business.

Calling names is bush league.
 
The customers are not any more important than the product.

There is symbiosis in the relationship.

Shitty customers are just as big a problem as shitty products.
 
Well Dave my experience in my small business was, Clients & Customers were one who paid my bills.

if they did not I would not have survived.

Many business fail because they have good products, or services. But no income flow, because no customers.
Business' with good products or services fail on the expense side, not for lack of customers.

They can't separate wants from needs just like 80% of Americans.
 
Business' with good products or services fail on the expense side, not for lack of customers.

They can't separate wants from needs just like 80% of Americans.


Well someone else gets it, could be because JC actually is a self employed person. Not ever customer or client is wonderful, or the prefect client or person. But until the point you do not need them, they help pay the bills.

When I got to the point of not needed a client, because they were allow pay or some other reason. I just delt with them, and the aggravation.

At the point they because an unimportant little fish, when they call offering work, I politely said I was already book for work. After five or six calls, they usually stopped calling.

Never ever told anyone off as the world I worked in was small.
 
Customers are a byproduct of me/my product. Without me I would have no need for a customer. Not degrading the need for a customer but if I don't do everything right before the customer showed up is there going to be a need to have a customer? So we can sit here and argue all day long. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Which came first, the product/service or the customer?
A 3-yr old would understand he's not as important as the cotton candy maker when it comes to that cotton candy he's munching. Bruce on the other hand? " Bruce....The problem is, your opinion is wrong. " Still doesn't get it .
 
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A 3-yr old would understand he's not as important as the cotton candy maker when it comes to that cotton candy he's munching. Bruce on the other hand? " Bruce....The problem is, your opinion is wrong. " Still doesn't get it .


You seem to have problem that everyone does not kiss your behind, or agree with you or your opinions. You are all about trash talking, and attacking people. BTW what do you build 3 or 4 Cues a year? Or more?

Still have that cushy job paying your bill in government service, so your what I call a hobby builder.

As you seem to be a flipping know it all why not quit your real job, do your Cue build full time to show everyone how things work out.

Personally now is not the time with Covid to start any new ventures, if you have a job & paycheck. As could be when hell freezes that wonderful California is allowed to open up much, and I personally if the Covid thing ever ends.

Many thriving Pool roonms that were open pre Covid, now closed, will never open again.
 
You seem to have problem that everyone does not kiss your behind, or agree with you or your opinions. You are all about trash talking, and attacking people. BTW what do you build 3 or 4 Cues a year? Or more?

Still have that cushy job paying your bill in government service, so your what I call a hobby builder.

As you seem to be a flipping know it all why not quit your real job, do your Cue build full time to show everyone how things work out.

Personally now is not the time with Covid to start any new ventures, if you have a job & paycheck. As could be when hell freezes that wonderful California is allowed to open up much, and I personally if the Covid thing ever ends.

Many thriving Pool roonms that were open pre Covid, now closed, will never open again.
You seem to have problem writing, reading and understanding .
Once again, you are DEAD WRONG.
And not one maker has agreed with your " trick question" yet .
 
Here is the deal Joey, you have your opinion, I have mine. Be happy you live some place where we still have a first amendment.

i stand by my opinion about the Customer. No Customers, you got no sales. If you can not figure that out. your not too bright.
 
Here is the deal Joey, you have your opinion, I have mine. Be happy you live some place where we still have a first amendment.

i stand by my opinion about the Customer. No Customers, you got no sales. If you can not figure that out. your not too bright.
Are you really this smart ? The most important thing in the shop is the maker. What part of Dave's contention did you not get ? Nobody said customers are not important . CustomerS are not ONE THING. It's you're , not your. You're not even remotely bright.
 
You seem to have problem writing, reading and understanding .
Once again, you are DEAD WRONG.
And not one maker has agreed with your " trick question" yet .
This is how he is, a snowflake toddler pretending to be an adult
 
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There isn't one most important thing in a cue shop, but there's a bunch of tools and devices you use all the time, and without them cue making would be difficult. The thing that's only been mentioned one time, yet is obvious, very important and often not taken seriously enough is safety. So many things can go wrong really fast in a shop, band saws and table saws are a common source of injuries, lathes can be very dangerous, a 12kg hunk of metal with lots of jagged edges spinning 1000-2000 RPM can do some real damage..
Not to mention all the chemicals and just the wood dust itself. I think it's fair to say that protection from dust and chemicals is something most cue makers don't take serious enough before you have had something happen to you, hopefully it's nothing more than a rash caused by turning Cocobolo or other woods that acts as sensitizers.
 
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Here is the deal Joey, you have your opinion, I have mine. Be happy you live some place where we still have a first amendment.

i stand by my opinion about the Customer. No Customers, you got no sales. If you can not figure that out. your not too bright.
Bruce....Just so we can understand where your mind has wandered off too, please explain to the class how "the customer" happens before you have any product or service.
 
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