Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.

That’s pretty funny —. the CTE crew has been saying, “works for me,” without explanation, for years and years.

Lou Figueroa
No, we have given every explanation that we have been able to discover. However works for me would also be enough. Doesn't work for me would also be acceptable for you say if you could not figure it out. Wouldn't mean it doesn't work as claimed or explained.
 
Thread Title: 23 Years Are The Same Every Day On Pool Forums With CTE

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If you, as a pool enthusiast and player are interested in improving your game by becoming proficient with CTE (Center To Edge) Aiming, it won't be here.

23 years ago Hal Houle threw out a claim and teaser on an early internet group called Rec.Sport.Billiards (RSB) describing how only 3 lines were required to make nearly all cut shots on a 2:1 pool table with angles from 0 to about 90 degrees. The following was passed on to me by someone who was there in the loop and a close friend of Hal.

It didn't take many minutes at all for it to be posted that Mr. Patrick Johnson, with all of his infinite wisdom of 5 years steady experience since getting involved in pool, to come crashing down with one of the most scathing, uninformed posts ever made about how absurd Hal's claims were. Up until the time at around 45 years of age, Pat banged balls here and there recreationally like many of us but became the resident expert over 5 years who a number of other neophyte pool players came to feel was gospel. He is a bright individual with a strong command of the English language who specifically linked science, math and geometry to pool and they thought it was the way the game was played and to be learned. NO PRO PLAYER EVER PLAYED THAT WAY AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT MATH AND SCIENCE.

Immediately thereafter, another member by the name of Lou Figueroa took a blood brother oath with Pat and also became one of the biggest critics and dissenters of Hal and CTE. It remained that way until about 2005 or 2006 when AZB was still in it's infancy that they all moved here because RSB was getting trashed and driven into the ground and oblivion by someone called Fast Larry.
Those who become devotees of CTE and about 20+ other aiming systems created by Hal like "Shiskebab" also switched to AZB for some semblance of sanity away from RSB and Fast Larry.
However, nothing changed with the CTE controversy between the players touting it and the naysayers creating more of a name for themselves and getting attention by attempting to bury it with the math, geometry, physics, 2D drawings etc. as their "proof" of it being impossible and a waste of time.
Some years went by with the same broken record over and over and over again with the same cast of characters as well as new ones on both sides. One thing to be known is there was always more getting involved with CTE and wanting to learn than those attempting to destroy it and save the world from a fate just under cancer and death.
And then enter a serious and accomplished pool player who won a pro tournament among top pros and a certified long time instructor of all facets of the game by the name of... STAN SHUFFETT.
That's when Pat Johnson, Lou Figueroa, Dan White, Joey Bautista, and the usual 4 or 5 hack pool players who come and go to be replaced by 4 or 5 new hack players every few years to be a part of the CTE "knocker" crowd went totally bonkers and insane wasting every single day of 12 years or so posting regurgitated garbage about CTE itself, Stan Shuffett, and any and all users of the system.
TOO BAD LOU-SERS!! Only a few months ago you claimed the book would NEVER be written - IT IS!
You said the Truth Series Video would never be done before the book came out because the book would never come out - IT IS!

Players from all over the country and world are excited and wanting it in a place where you LOU-SERS can't go because you are all BANNED from there UP FRONT! If you do attempt it and sneak in, it'll be BYE-BYE!
Keep wasting your lives and time here where you belong with the same old stuff.
Dude, take the meds. There are no microchips in them.

pj
chgo
 
who is trying to plagiarize? While there might not be a best way to aim there are certainly far worse ways to aim than CTE.

CTE can be explained simply. An objective method of alignment and aiming that brings the user to the no-imagination shot line. It can also be learned simply. But as with many things in life there is more depth to be explored and mastered. For example I have taught people the basics that grant them better aiming for a lot of the shots they take. But if they haven't studied it enough to how outside/inside visual sweeps can change a shot from a shot to a pocket into a shot that banks they won't have the full benefit.

Kind of like how I can learn to kick with a geometrically perfect kicking system but the system can't account for the condition of the table, the effects of speed and spin, the age of the cushions and so on. The system gives the baseline and experience allows the shooter to adjust as needed if needed.
Kicking systems are easily diagrammed.
The math behind them are easily shown too.
We have been asking for CTE diagrams for years .
And that includes the DVD buyers .
It would have been A LOT BETTER if Stan just had overhead graphics the way he shot balls .
Shooting balls in curtained pockets does not help ANYONE who has the dvd's or want to learn CTE.
Years ago you challenged someone to shoot curtained pockets, and this dude shot ball after ball.
Some people are shooting monsters .

And that is NOT A KNOCK .

And imo, ALL AIMING SYSTEMS are objective . Even if PJ argues it . If you are behind the cue ball and using the two balls ( whether in part or in whole ) to guide your setup, it is objective imo .
 
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Kicking systems are easily diagrammed.
The math behind them are easily shown too.
We have been asking for CTE diagrams for years .
And that includes the DVD buyers .
It would have been A LOT BETTER if Stan just had overhead graphics the way he shot balls .
Shooting balls in curtained pockets does not help ANYONE who has the dvd's or want to learn CTE.
Years ago you challenged someone to shoot curtained pockets, and this dude shot ball after ball.
Some people are shooting monsters .

And that is NOT A KNOCK .

And imo, ALL AIMING SYSTEMS are objective . Even if PJ argues it . If you are behind the cue ball and using the two balls ( whether in part or in whole ) to guide your setup, it is objective imo .
What dude? I can't remember anyone duplicating Stan's curtain videos. How would you know what helps people learn something that you haven't learned? Does every person process information the same way? Clearly plenty of people have been able to learn CTE.

Yes, some people are shooting monsters....how did they get that way? Usually you have not been privy to all that they have experienced to that point so you can't say what they use and what they don't unless they have told you.

The act of aiming is on a spectrum from pure subjective feel to using several objective and clear reference lines with clear instructions.
 
What dude? I can't remember anyone duplicating Stan's curtain videos. How would you know what helps people learn something that you haven't learned? Does every person process information the same way? Clearly plenty of people have been able to learn CTE.

Yes, some people are shooting monsters....how did they get that way? Usually you have not been privy to all that they have experienced to that point so you can't say what they use and what they don't unless they have told you.

The act of aiming is on a spectrum from pure subjective feel to using several objective and clear reference lines with clear instructions.
So, no diagram?
 
And imo, ALL AIMING SYSTEMS are objective . Even if PJ argues it . If you are behind the cue ball and using the two balls ( whether in part or in whole ) to guide your setup, it is objective imo .
If you said all aiming systems use objective visual references, I’d agree. I just don’t think they ever take “feel” out of the equation.

pj
chgo
 
neither does CTE require any division to locate the shot line which the sticks lands on.
Thing is, trained painters, illustrators, draftsmen, Dr. Dave, carpenters etc... not pool players apparently... have trained their imaging to see and reproduce accurate results. WITHOUT CTE.
 
What dude? I can't remember anyone duplicating Stan's curtain videos. How would you know what helps people learn something that you haven't learned? Does every person process information the same way? Clearly plenty of people have been able to learn CTE.

Yes, some people are shooting monsters....how did they get that way? Usually you have not been privy to all that they have experienced to that point so you can't say what they use and what they don't unless they have told you.

The act of aiming is on a spectrum from pure subjective feel to using several objective and clear reference lines with clear instructions.

Curtain shots?! — grow up, man.

No one could probably duplicate Earl shooting wing shots.

Don’t mean didly-do-da.

Lou Figueroa
 
Is the book free for those who bought the DVD's and are still confused about CTE?

(Einstein put it best "if you cant explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough".)
He never said that. It's an urban myth for the uninformed. Check it out.
"If you can't explaIn it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself". Google accurate einstein quotes.. this quote actually better defines
 
If you said all aiming systems use objective visual references, I’d agree. I just don’t think they ever take “feel” out of the equation.

pj
chgo
What part of the "equation" is feel...mechanics, mental? Do you think you could train to become extremely accurate and take "feel" out of the equation? I've seen and witnessed feats of physical acuity that take "feel" out of the equation. IMO
I'm including pool players in this statement.
 
Do you think you could train to become extremely accurate and take "feel" out of the equation?
I think you can (and just about everybody does, eventually) get good enough at it so it seems like "the system does it" from start to finish - but I think that's a misperception. If you can't describe an aim line accurately enough for anybody to duplicate it, then it's not "objective".
I've seen and witnessed feats of physical acuity that take "feel" out of the equation. IMO
I'm including pool players in this statement.
Such as?

pj
chgo
 
What part of the "equation" is feel...mechanics, mental? Do you think you could train to become extremely accurate and take "feel" out of the equation? I've seen and witnessed feats of physical acuity that take "feel" out of the equation. IMO
I'm including pool players in this statement.

We are not machines and playing pool well is as much art as it is science.

IOWs there is feel involved with every aspect of the game.

Lou Figueroa
 
This no feel required sounds like post-preemptive parrying to counter challenges of CTE being guesswork. Frankly I still think CTE is like long division, solving for what's already there in the first place.
 
What part of the "equation" is feel...mechanics, mental? Do you think you could train to become extremely accurate and take "feel" out of the equation? I've seen and witnessed feats of physical acuity that take "feel" out of the equation. IMO
I'm including pool players in this statement.
I think that any time you play with sidespin, feel has to be included. Maybe there are one or two players who actually calculate the squirt/swerve/throw on a slow spin draw shot, but I doubt it.

Even without side spin, there is the fact that the cut angle for a half-ball cut changes according to speed and follow/draw.
 
I think that any time you play with sidespin, feel has to be included. Maybe there are one or two players who actually calculate the squirt/swerve/throw on a slow spin draw shot, but I doubt it.

Even without side spin, there is the fact that the cut angle for a half-ball cut changes according to speed and follow/draw.
Please stop with this fact based commentary.

It's scientific and it works and that is all period!
 
We are not machines and playing pool well is as much art as it is science.

IOWs there is feel involved with every aspect of the game.

Lou Figueroa
Feel or an intelligence from experience and a lot of practice honing your skills. We aren't machines, but parts of the body can be trained to such a high degree that it will seem as such for a period of time.
 
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I think that any time you play with sidespin, feel has to be included. Maybe there are one or two players who actually calculate the squirt/swerve/throw on a slow spin draw shot, but I doubt it.

Even without side spin, there is the fact that the cut angle for a half-ball cut changes according to speed and follow/draw.
Yup.
And distance between the two balls changes squirt and throw factors . Only by feel and experience can you allow for them . Heck, even humidity changes how much balls throw. Heck, squirt changes from bridge length .
 
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