Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.

lfigueroa · Mar 13, 2021

claymont said:
Feel or an intelligence from experience and a lot of practice honing your skills. We aren't machines, but parts of the body can be trained to such a high degree that it will seem as such for a period of time.

But it is never really so.

Lou Figueroa

lfigueroa · Mar 13, 2021

JB Cases said:
Except there are many who have duplicated the wing shots. Means a lot. You're just mad that you have ZERO chance to beat any serious CTE user at any shotmaking contest.

ah, beat you for $10,000.

Lou Figueroa

lfigueroa · Mar 13, 2021

JB Cases said:
Very true. To the point where one of the highest compliments we can give to a player is "he is a machine". When Lou says it is as much art as science he is simply wrong. While a player can learn to play, even at a fairly high level, without understanding any of the science behind the actions he performs I think that gaining understanding of at least some of the scientific principles is quite helpful. That's why I am grateful to Dr. Dave for his wonderful contributions to our sport's body of knowledge while at the same absolutely disgusted that he has chosen to mock Stan and CTE users.

Said the CTE guru, lol.

John, you have no business telling anyone, anything, about shooting pool.

Lou Figueroa

ribdoner · Mar 13, 2021

didn't Stan say that JB wasn't well versed enough in CTE to expound on the subject or something to that effect?

JoeyInCali · Mar 14, 2021

claymont said:
This image comes from mhort's web page Offset and Pivot Aiming Systems There's a whole lot more on CTE if you're interested.

This was before the Pro 1 . This had holes in it.
The one with ABC reference points is what I'm looking for .

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

Dan White said:
... and this is why we call it a cult. It doesn't give you any pause when people you respect mock CTE.

No it doesn't. Once again you appeal to authority. But it doesn't matter BECAUSE this forum is the teeny tiniest part of the internet and CTE is bigger than anyone here. What you knockers don't get is that there are thousands of players using it who have never ever been on AZB and could not care any less what some random knocker here thinks. They aren't in the cult because they have never had to deal with knockers who call them that.

I will hang out here until I get bored again. When I come back it will be the same knockers saying the same thing and there will at that time be MORE players using CTE.

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

ribdoner said:
didn't Stan say that JB wasn't well versed enough in CTE to expound on the subject or something to that effect?

probably and he would be right. I speak from MY experience and defer to Stan and others for the parts I am not qualified to speak about with any authority.

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

JoeyInCali said:
A diagram of the CTE shots .
Why would ghost ball need math. Who's asking for math ?
Ghost ball can be shown in seconds . Just line up the two balls . Wanna see Rodney Morris show it ?

Again . IS THERE A DIAGRAM OF CTE or not ? Can it be done ?
It is objective, after all .

So why are there 25 ghost ball trainers? Sure it's easy to diagram. So what? Can you learn GB without a diagram? Of course. Can you learn CTE without a diagram? Absolutely. Well maybe YOU can't but many others can and have.

SpiderWebComm · Mar 14, 2021

JoeyInCali said:
Again . IS THERE A DIAGRAM OF CTE or not ? Can it be done ?
It is objective, after all .

Dan White · Mar 14, 2021

JB Cases said:
How is that feel? You can project the cueball along a path and see pretty clearly when it will not make the object ball when the CTE method of aiming has been used correctly.

As I have stated dozens of times though there are many shots which I have faced, including shots that I have NEVER shot before nor practiced at all, for which used CTE to aim it and when I get to the shot line and have NO IDEA if it's "on" and when I pull the trigger it goes. This feeling is common for CTE users. CTE allows us to try and make ridiculous shots which we previously were not interested in trying in match play.

If you are a new player without a reservoir of memory to recognize when shots will go you will not "see pretty clearly" when it will go.

Dan White · Mar 14, 2021

Do you HONESTLY think that your "effort" was equal to Stan's demonstration? Furthermore as I stated you CLEARLY described that you figured out an OBJECTIVE aiming line for your second shot after many attempts and 15 minutes.

You are the master of the false straw man argument. My video was targeted at newer players who might be amazed that balls could be pocketed behind a curtain. I was very clear in saying that the curtain in itself does not prove CTE will pocket balls for you. Nothing more, nothing less.

I gave you a chance to make an EASY $500 duplicating the videos I posted and you didn't have the time/ability/desire.....whatever your reason you didn't get it done.

LOL. On a Tuesday you gave me until Friday to quit my job, construct a curtain system to cover the table in an L shape and then video tape a bunch of 3 rail banks that I've never attempted before. How generous of you. Why don't we make it fair? Give me 60 years to practice banking like Stan had and then let me try. You don't think I could do it then? Better yet, how about if I give you $500 to do it by Monday? Surely you already have a curtain and you are a CTE jedi by now so why don't you prove it to us?

Dan White · Mar 14, 2021

JB Cases said:
Tells you that we haven't bothered because we don't need to. The proof of concept was enough to get us interested and we learned what we needed to know to use it effectively.

So if I don't reproduce the video it is because I can't but when you don't it is because you don't have to. lol

Dan White · Mar 14, 2021

ribdoner said:
didn't Stan say that JB wasn't well versed enough in CTE to expound on the subject or something to that effect?

It's a little like this classic clip:

claymont · Mar 14, 2021

JoeyInCali said:
This was before the Pro 1 . This had holes in it.
The one with ABC reference points is what I'm looking for .

Pro One is an enhanced version of CTE. I believe you asked for a diagram of CTE which is different in its method of application. If you go to the linked page, and scroll through the page, you'll fine additional diagrams depending on the angle of object ball to pocket(which is what the ABC are referencing) and an excellent explanation of CTE.
I'll have to see if I can find the Pro One discs(I haven't looked at it in years) and see if there are diagrams on it. If there are, I don't think I should be posting them anyway for legal reasons. I'm stretching things posting what I did.

claymont · Mar 14, 2021

Dan White said:
It's a little like this classic clip:

Great clip! John might not be an expert but I'd wager he knows more than most in this thread

SpiderWebComm · Mar 14, 2021

JoeyInCali said:
This was before the Pro 1 . This had holes in it.
The one with ABC reference points is what I'm looking for .

Here you go. EVERYTHING you ever wanted to know is right here explained by the main man, Stan Shuffett.

Store 2 — http://www.justcueit.com

Stan Shuffett's CTE PRO ONE Truth Series - YouTube

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

straightline said:
Um, using a Goldberg contraption doesn't exactly fit the solution stereotype.

No one is using such a contraption. Reliance on stereotype is the foundation of bigotry.

Patrick Johnson · Mar 14, 2021

JB Cases said:
The perception lines are accurately described and plenty of people can duplicate them.

So describe one.

pj
chgo

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

Dan White said:
It's a little like this classic clip:

Except here you have the expert himself telling you that you don't know anything about his work. And you then go on to tell that expert that some other person knows more about the work that the expert is doing.

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe but don't start up with the "battle of the experts" because the topic of discussion here is Center to Edge Aiming as described by Stan Shuffett. The expert on that topic is in fact Stan Shuffett. Stan is present and happily answers questions from students and interested players who do not engage in mocking him.

Again, I have never pretended to be anything more than I am which is an enthusiast and cheerleader for Center to Edge aiming. I have made diagrams and videos expressing my enthusiasm and my thoughts concerning CTE. I have taken up challenges presented, including Dr. Dave's and others and filmed myself applying CTE to those challenges and given my thoughts on it.

My efforts have been to understand it and help others understand it in some way. Not to promote anything that is harmful or fraudulent. Your efforts along with the efforts of a small group of knockers has been to denigrate and mock those who teach along with those who have learned this method.

You went through the trouble to erect a screen for the purpose of shooting two shots attempting to discredit Stan and then have the hubris to think that your "performance" was proof that Stan's demonstrations are not unusual. No one is trying to trick you but you are trying to steer people away from CTE in a manner that is disgusting to me.

JB Cases · Mar 14, 2021

Patrick Johnson said:
So describe one.

pj
chgo

Right edge of the cueball to the A position on the object ball.

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