Yeah...the thing that enables him to be a great player manifests itself in other ways.
He was great and if he didn't hit a ball for years he'd still be super solid.
Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit
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He was great and if he didn't hit a ball for years he'd still be super solid.
Help me out, you know that for a fact?
It is said that Mosconi didn't particularly enjoy playing pool. It was his paycheck. He was under obligation to Brunswick to do these exhibitions. There was absolutely no incentive for him to keep running balls after he hit 100. Sometimes he ran some more under certain circumstances as has been mentioned on AZ before. 300 per year. Run 100 balls, get the hell out of there, and get on the road to the next stop.
I should find my father's recap of the time he watched Caras at Cornell in the 1940's. The salient point is that Caras never said a word. His manager or driver announced a 100 ball run. Caras took his coat off, screwed his stick together, ran 100, unscrewed the stick, put his coat back on and left. lol. On to the next stop.
Yes.
Willie traveled the country extensively by car for many years. He would walk into a room in coat and tie; take two practice racks; then play a local opponent a game to 125 or 150; almost inevitably run 100 during the match; and then shoot off a bunch of trick shots to include some very cool masse shots. Then it was off to the next room for another exhibition, sometimes for the same day.
Other than running 100 he did not care about high runs. It was: do the show and move on. Sometimes, if he had gone 40 and out during the match he'd turn to the crowd and ask, "Would you like to see a 100 ball run?" Then, like clockwork, he would continue to 100. As soon as he reached 100 he'd put his stick down and start setting up a trick shot. That one night in Springfield his match was to 200 because Mosconi said he wanted to put on a nice exhibition for the owner. And when he ran 200 and out the crowd urged him on, basically saying: keep going Willie, see how many you can get.
Lou Figueroa
I understand what you are saying, but once Mosconi made 150 the match was over and the "opponent" of the day was just another spectator. It became a high run exhibition record attempt.
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That proof was provided to those who matter.
John and his team are being accused of crimes.
The burden of proof when an accusation of criminality lies with the accuser.
Point taken, but then I thought there was always some consensus that it was an exhibition run.
Lou Figueroa
certainly not practice
Baloney -- the opinion of the fans and aficionados always counts.
Your opinion counts, as does mine.
Lou Figueroa
The BCA examined the evidence provided by Schmidt, and they accepted it and sanctioned a new record. That's their role.
People who have seen the same evidence can make any objections known, but it's up to the BCA as to whether they agree with those objections, or whether they disagree and will continue to sanction the record. Are there any people who have seen the evidence who have made objections? If so, have they made a formal objection in writing with a list of things they've objected to? Names?
People who haven't seen the evidence can complain about the BCA sanctioning a new record, but why would their opinion matter much? They haven't seen the evidence.
It's a BCA sanctioned record.
They certainly don't want to try backin
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As i have stated in past the chance of them showing any verifiable proof is as good as u playing me or Lou in One Pocket for large monetary sum - even. Just in case yer wondering - it won't happen - they cannot provide what they don't have. U should go to their theatrical promo commercial reel soon - don't forget to cut a hole in bottom of yer popcorn bucket.
To those whom it may concern - I go u one further. When I saw whoopi goldbrg in the chemical commercial - she looked like she wanted to be advertising their products bout as much as Varner would have wanted to sit through lip schmidt's and c.w./predcue/bca's phony theaterical production - sad but true.
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Yes, it’s a BCA record — I don’t recall that being a point of contention.
But myself and others can still have our doubts until there is full unedited video made available.
That shouldn’t be a point of contention either ;-)
Lou Figueroa
It's less about the pressure of the match and more about the pressure of dealing with fewer attempts per day. John would likely feel no more pressure playing me than he would playing by himself. But if he runs 150 and out against me and then continues his run, he either has to run 526 or he is done for the day. He can't just set up another break shot and try again.
Fewer attempts mean a lower likelihood of breaking the record. Even if he played exhibition matches to 200 all day and continued runs after match ball, it's a fair assumption that he would post fewer 100's, 200's, and 300's. And if we accept that, it's very likely that he wouldn't have run the 626 yet. I don't think anyone doubts his potential to do it under a similar circumstance, but context does matter and it matters in every other sport except ours.
Context is out the window because the same situations don't exist anymore. The only thing I can think of that would qualify is the 14.1 challenge at the DCC.
I 'real eyes' now the Charlie Dragon Promotion 14.1 event was not a Real World Championship (WPA was correct), more just a way of engineering a 'paper champion' for the Open Public to accept or Adopt, Willie Mosconi's World Record of 526 in Straight Pocket Billiards - STANDS. Willie's sponsor's never claimed to have captured the Famous 526 mark _ ON CAMERA - j.s. backers ARE - making or engineering' that Claim, this is very pertinent to the discussion - and seems to have been a bit overlooked during the onslaught on Willie's World Record. While there were sum' Champions - in attendance at c.w. event - I now regret ever competing in c.w./j.s dragon promtion 14.1. Now that they tried to steal Mosconi's record - there little dragon has lost all the fire in it's belly - in relation to dragon promo 14.1 re-rack major tourneys'. So again Willie's family and Smithsonian Institute DO have proper documentation to prove - he did what the 30 witnesses + signed affidavit states - CONFIRMED, j.s./c.w./predcues/BCA - DO NOT have the unedited tape to prove their Claim - NOT CONFIRMED. Very sad state of affairs to try and cancel out American Pocket Billiard History - then tell the people they cannot see unedited proof.
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Sorry Dan - yet another retraction, I couldn't help but see where you referred j.s/bca/c.w / CLAIM - as Record' - without any unedited footage I would not attempt to call it a record. Going to have to keep me aeee' on you Dan lol. I am not sure of bout schmidt's criminal background history - he may have a record there? A 626 record HE DOES NOT HAVE - till proven otherwise. I would say it's a CLAIM at best - that is not good enough for his backers to associate j.s. name with Mosconi's Official World Record. A 'practice run' of 626 - would suffice - if accompanied with unedited video footage -the bca and teem' don't have that evidence.
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trob - is certainly not a Prominent Pro'. A kid with his finger' stuck in Willie Mosconi - cookie jar - Yes. May have to get the ruler out for trob if he continues to wave his little shakey' hand anywhere near the Official Mosconi 526 cookie jar. Whap.
Thank You Lou for kind words, I have enough trouble carrying my own case sometimes - this thread is Tom - but omnipotent to Proper like - American 14.1 Pocket Billiard Adjudication, my case here is 'It's George'.
Nonsense. There is always a non-zero chance JUST LIKE Willie walking into an exhibition and running 500+ on a single attempt. We don't know if John tried hundreds of times but the fact is that Willie played hundreds of straight pool matches, many in round robin tournaments and almost every night for like 6 months against Greenleaf on the road which he credited with teaching him a TON. John had no such experience playing 14.1 continuously for decades against the world's elite players so he had to create it.
Maybe Willie didn't even know if he could run 500+ and if he had never been close then FOR SURE you would have said that there is nada, zip, zilch, no chance that he could walk into a room and run 500 on the first try.
You shouldn't confuse capability with probability. John has shown that he is CAPABLE of running 600+. So that means he COULD repeat it. The likelihood of him doing is low because the likelihood of ANYONE being able to rattle off that type of run at any given time is slim even for the world's greatest players due to the difficulty of the feat and the fortune needed to get makeable shots over the course of dozens of racks.
In fact, the fact that it has been claimed that
Means that, if true that Willie only did one exhibition where he attempted a high run, that him running 526, on that one day, was likely far more probable than we know - OR - it was a complete fluke, right time, right table, right mindset. But in general IF he wasn't trying to run more than needed for these exhibitions which seems likely because it was reported that he couldn't stand doing them, then it means that he had the capability all along to post runs in the hundreds but just didn't bother to try.
John on the other hand has actively trained to run big numbers so he should be even more capable of putting up a big run at any given time.
One thing I would think would be a way higher probability would be that John could walk in cold and on the first attempt run twice as many balls as average players with hundred ball runs.
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