Yet another CTE thread (sigh)

I think we have the results. They just haven't been made public yet.

Can’t be done without clear objective instructions, which have never existed.

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Where would you place the laser ? If it's a box , it would be pointless as they aim the cue ball center and edge or parts . If you place the laser inside the cue ball , that eliminates the pivot ( manual or visual ), doesn't it ?
With aiming line or ghost ball, you just need a ramp on a laser level . Aim the laser to the center of the gb or aiming line then let the cue ball go down the ramp . Actually, you don't really need that . A cue ball a foot away from the OB can be shot very accurately to the ob and pocket that ball consistently. Even without any system, really .
 
Where would you place the laser ? If it's a box , it would be pointless as they aim the cue ball center and edge or parts . If you place the laser inside the cue ball , that eliminates the pivot ( manual or visual ), doesn't it ?
With aiming line or ghost ball, you just need a ramp on a laser level . Aim the laser to the center of the gb or aiming line then let the cue ball go down the ramp . Actually, you don't really need that . A cue ball a foot away from the OB can be shot very accurately to the ob and pocket that ball consistently. Even without any system, really .
Without really giving it any real thought. I figured the two lasers would have been aimed straight ahead and distanced the average width between the human eyes. The lasers would be linked to one another and allowed to pivot. That way they would track one another, like human eyes do. The apparatus used to hold the lasers would then also be allowed to pivot at the center, mimicking the human neck.

So now you have a jig that allows you to "poke your nose out" (as they say) with a neck pivot, and can cam the two 'eye lasers' to proper 'perspective'.

The rest I was going to let the people who care figure out...lol
 
Lasers are a visual system, too. mohrt didn't seem to have the same opinion as you since he purchased two of them. The way science works is ideas get challenged and tested. The more the better. What should come out of that gauntlet is the truth as best we can define it.

I understand you are 100% confident in your BELIEF, which is where people get into real trouble when it comes to finding the truth. It's OK though, don't worry about it.
I won’t lose any sleep. I have lots more CTE knowledge then you ever will
 
I've always said that time at the table will make you better, be it aiming or recognizing how the balls collide or come off the rails, or whatever. I've also maintained what you essentially said above, that if you stick to the strict pivots it doesn't work. Cookie went ballistic a day or two ago when I said this.

I do not believe CTE in the book involves a sweep anymore. Is it still called Pro1? The sweep was replaced by turning the head and then "stepping" the cue ball, which amounts to looking at the edge of the cue ball and picking up the resulting shot line from your averted gaze. A fixed pivot turned into a visual sweep (not to be confused with sweeping the cue in from the side as many misunderstand) and that turned into the head turn and "stepping." Amazingly, all three methods put you precisely on the shot line, supposedly. Sweeping/head turning/whatever I guess it about amounts to the same thing. It seems "stepping" is the game changer in Stanspeak, though.

The only issue I have with your take on it is that I would not endorse a product that misinforms the customer. Anybody who has put in any real effort at this game has gone down dead ends and lost time. It's part of the process. I don't think we need to make things harder than they already are for people who might be just starting out. I could go through the claims made by Stan but most already know them and cookie has been busy with the report button, I'm sure, so I'll let it go at that. Having said all that, I'm open to being proven wrong by mohrt's study. Seems like he's given up the effort, though.

I recall a wise person once said how it is good to have an open mind but not so open that one's brain falls out. ;)
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Lasers are a visual system, too. mohrt didn't seem to have the same opinion as you since he purchased two of them. The way science works is ideas get challenged and tested. The more the better. What should come out of that gauntlet is the truth as best we can define it.

I understand you are 100% confident in your BELIEF, which is where people get into real trouble when it comes to finding the truth. It's OK though, don't worry about it.
Shutup White.
You're just as crazy and obsessed as ever.
Totally clueless....totally.
 
I won’t lose any sleep. I have lots more CTE knowledge then you ever will
You like to say that but the truth is still up in the air on that one. All you ever say is how none of us understand how CTE works. You just said that to your buddy Brian who clearly gets it.
 
Anything to back this up. Didn’t you say a week or so ago that only factual info should be posted. You have nothing
It's a visual process, you see. lol

I meant that mohrt has experimented with the lasers ('cause he said he did) yet he did not discuss any of his findings or even what he did. So, yes, there are results that we don't know about from mohrt. Any other questions?
 
It's a visual process, you see. lol

I meant that mohrt has experimented with the lasers ('cause he said he did) yet he did not discuss any of his findings or even what he did. So, yes, there are results that we don't know about from mohrt. Any other questions?
So you have nothing. Just guesses on your part
 
You like to say that but the truth is still up in the air on that one. All you ever say is how none of us understand how CTE works. You just said that to your buddy Brian who clearly gets it.
I think Brian would dispute that. He knows he doesn’t have enough information to understand CTE. JUST BECAUSE YOU HIT A FEW BALLS WITH WHAT YOU THINK IS CTE DOESNT MEAN YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND IT
Are you really jealous that people can actually get along and be friendly on here.
 
How many times are you going to be so rude? Eventually I might bite back.
Please allow me to offer a little unsolicited country advice. If one of the hired men goes out into the barnyard, picks up a handful of shit and rubs it all over his face, well, that doesn't mean you have to do it, too.
 
You like to say that but the truth is still up in the air on that one. All you ever say is how none of us understand how CTE works. You just said that to your buddy Brian who clearly gets it.

What I "clearly" get is what anybody else can "clearly" get after watching numerous hours of Stan's videos and conversing with Mohrt some. In other words, I don't get it. Lol

What I get is this: I can make it work if I don't try to be so precise and strict with the pivot. That was some useful advice...."use your eyes" and don't worry so much about exact pivots.

That either means the pivots/sweeps are based on experience, or it means I don't quite understand the visual perceptions. I think it's the first one, but I don't care enough about it to waste time here bickering over the fact that some players find it useful and other players find it rediculous. To each their own. Whatever floats your boat.
 
What I "clearly" get is what anybody else can "clearly" get after watching numerous hours of Stan's videos and conversing with Mohrt some. In other words, I don't get it. Lol

What I get is this: I can make it work if I don't try to be so precise and strict with the pivot. That was some useful advice...."use your eyes" and don't worry so much about exact pivots.

That either means the pivots/sweeps are based on experience, or it means I don't quite understand the visual perceptions. I think it's the first one, but I don't care enough about it to waste time here bickering over the fact that some players find it useful and other players find it rediculous. To each their own. Whatever floats your boat.
Agreed. Honestly, my eyes glaze over when people start discussing overlaps or equal opposite and posting triangle diagrams of some obscure aiming method that might work. It's just boring. I find CTE psychology far more interesting. Except sometimes when I don't...
 
What I get is this: I can make it work if I don't try to be so precise and strict with the pivot. That was some useful advice...."use your eyes" and don't worry so much about exact pivots.
I meant to comment on this. That's exactly what Hal told me. He didn't give a damn about exactly how you pivot. In fact, he discouraged me from even thinking about it. I understood all I needed to know at that point. It was only some years later when Stan started to talk about CTE that I got back into it again.
 
I meant to comment on this. That's exactly what Hal told me. He didn't give a damn about exactly how you pivot. In fact, he discouraged me from even thinking about it. I understood all I needed to know at that point. It was only some years later when Stan started to talk about CTE that I got back into it again.
But I’m fairly sure Hal told you to pivot to CCB
 
But I’m fairly sure Hal told you to pivot to CCB
I will be fair to say that this was rudimentary first steps so maybe he had more in mind. I put a ball about a diamond and a half from the side pocket and the cue ball about a diamond away and he had me hit something like a half ball hit. It went in and he was like "See"? and I was like WTF, so what? (to myself, of course). Hal couldn't have been nicer and I enjoyed his Greenleaf stories.
 
I will be fair to say that this was rudimentary first steps so maybe he had more in mind. I put a ball about a diamond and a half from the side pocket and the cue ball about a diamond away and he had me hit something like a half ball hit. It went in and he was like "See"? and I was like WTF, so what? (to myself, of course). Hal couldn't have been nicer and I enjoyed his Greenleaf stories.
See we need full stories. Not the ones that fit your agenda. You mention nothing about a pivot here. Did he tell you to pivot to ccb?
 
I meant to comment on this. That's exactly what Hal told me. He didn't give a damn about exactly how you pivot. In fact, he discouraged me from even thinking about it. I understood all I needed to know at that point. It was only some years later when Stan started to talk about CTE that I got back into it again.
Yes, I thought that was understood.
The original comment made it hard to understand that. I started this way from Hal’s instructions and made balls from all over the place. Maybe you should have tried it out first before throwing it away
 
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