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Is anyone out there still using CJ Wiley’s “Touch of Inside” system? If so, how do you feel it stacks up to CTE and other popular systems?
I've worked with it. And sometimes it is hard to beat. Especially on a bar table.Is anyone out there still using CJ Wiley’s “Touch of Inside” system? If so, how do you feel it stacks up to CTE and other popular systems?
I have played TOI-style for years.On semi-straight in shots, it's a very useful tool in the pocket .
It is not an aiming system imo.
You still need to use the ghost ball to use it .
It does not tell you where the cue ball needs to be aimed .
Can you elaborate on that a little? I’m still fairly new to pool so I’m trying to soak up as much info as I can. What are some of the ancillary benefits of TOI?I have played TOI-style for years.
I do not equate TOI to an aiming system, either.
I equate it to a playing system.
And by golly, when you get right down to it that's what ALL of them should really be called.I have played TOI-style for years.
I do not equate TOI to an aiming system, either.
I equate it to a playing system.
TOI is playing close to center cue ball, but favoring the inside of the cue ball.Can you elaborate on that a little? I’m still fairly new to pool so I’m trying to soak up as much info as I can. What are some of the ancillary benefits of TOI?
It’s a cueing method as described by CJ.On semi-straight in shots, it's a very useful tool in the pocket .
It is not an aiming system imo.
You still need to use the ghost ball to use it .
It does not tell you where the cue ball needs to be aimed .
This to me is more significant even than nearly eliminating throw as an aiming variable.When the cue ball hits the object ball, the TOI offsets the natural spin that the cue ball receives from hitting the object ball. So, when the cue ball then contacts a rail, after hitting the object ball, it comes off at a more natural angle and doesn’t have the added spin. For me, it makes it much easier to predict and control angles of the cue ball moving around the table for position. The cue ball must be hit firmer to travel around the table with no spin. The cue ball will look kind of like it is sliding or floating.
That was always my take on it. I've never adopted an official use of TOI, but do tend to favour that side of the CB merely out of personal preference. So I'm sure I've reaped some rewards of it's use even though that wasn't the intent.I have played TOI-style for years.
I do not equate TOI to an aiming system, either.
I equate it to a playing system.
"Millions of statisfied Ghost Ball users and 2 who think it stinks"I've worked with it. And sometimes it is hard to beat. Especially on a bar table.
Then suddenly the TOI starts breaking down on me with inconsistency. That's what happens FOR ME...not everyone..
Then I scamper like a scared rabbit back to my old reliable repeatable CTE.
For me, it is just hard to serve two masters. And I'm a very old man also, so I'm not really capable of spreading my concentration too thin.
No doubt about TOI being a workable tool though. And CJ shoots out the lights with it. And quite easy to execute.
Easier to execute than Poolology, in my opinion, although I've watched Brian Crist in person when he didn't even know I was there, use his Poolology with excellent results against Aranas. However Crist is a math wizard so in his hands it's dynamite. (I sure didn't jump my ass up there to play either one of 'em. I stayed in the seat and kept my big mouth shut)
The big 3 of aiming systems, I think, are CTE, TOI, and Poolology. It's just a matter of personal choice and whichever one a shooter feels good and happy with.
In the hands of Tyler Styer or Mary Kenniston it's CTE all the way. For Brian Crist it's Poolology. For CJ Wiley, it's TOI.
I wouldn't beat up on or ridicule any of the Big 3. "If you like one of 'em...then by golly use it" is my way of thinking. The old different strokes for different folks concept.
ALL are superior to that idiotic invisible "ghosty ball" thing, IMO. (In 60 years of shooting pool I've never been able to see an invisible ball down there)
"Millions of statisfied Ghost Ball users and 2 who think it stinks"
I don't use TOI all the time, but I've noticed the same thing when I do use it. It's not much inside, but it does make the CB behave well. It's kind of a bit of a pivoting system, that inside pivot feels really nice on shots. If anything it gets you tuned into canceling out unintended spin.When the cue ball hits the object ball, the TOI offsets the natural spin that the cue ball receives from hitting the object ball. So, when the cue ball then contacts a rail, after hitting the object ball, it comes off at a more natural angle and doesn’t have the added spin. For me, it makes it much easier to predict and control angles of the cue ball moving around the table for position. The cue ball must be hit firmer to travel around the table with no spin. The cue ball will look kind of like it is sliding or floating.
I sometimes refer to TOI as playing “dead ball” because of the way the cue ball looks.
As you know, I am a hard core CTE user, but there are a few shots that I've found FOR ME, on certain tables that TOI helps me. TOI is a valuable tool in one way because it is something a player can really SEE....as opposed to Ghosty Ball which requires imagination to "see". In my opinion, "imagining" an invisible ghosty ball will keep you broke over the long run.I don't use TOI all the time, but I've noticed the same thing when I do use it. It's not much inside, but it does make the CB behave well. It's kind of a bit of a pivoting system, that inside pivot feels really nice on shots. If anything it gets you tuned into canceling out unintended spin.
I for one don't imagine a ghost ball. I imagine a pocketing/potting line for the OB and hit it where and how it needs hit. Get the "aim" and play the shot in my head... kind of a how does this need to be hit visualization. With enough shots they should be mostly rote shooting, but you still need to take an aim of some kind to know how you need to hit it. Ghost ball is legit, but anyone imagining/seeing a ghost ball is probably doing themselves a disservice after becoming proficient at pool. At some point you have to feel/see the shot, aiming helps limit the variables.As you know, I am a hard core CTE user, but there are a few shots that I've found FOR ME, on certain tables that TOI helps me. TOI is a valuable tool in one way because it is something a player can really SEE....as opposed to Ghosty Ball which requires imagination to "see". In my opinion, "imagining" an invisible ghosty ball will keep you broke over the long run.
Sounds like you've got a procedure that works for you and is helping you to win games. Which is the idea of competitive pool in the first place.I for one don't imagine a ghost ball. I imagine a pocketing/potting line for the OB and hit it where and how it needs hit. Get the "aim" and play the shot in my head... kind of a how does this need to be hit visualization. With enough shots they should be mostly rote shooting, but you still need to take an aim of some kind to know how you need to hit it. Ghost ball is legit, but anyone imagining/seeing a ghost ball is probably doing themselves a disservice after becoming proficient at pool. At some point you have to feel/see the shot, aiming helps limit the variables.
Since you're very familiar with CTE you can recognize that a touch of something is the same as a pivot. It should feel very natural for CTE users. Pivoting isn't solely the domain of CTE, but if you know the system, you can recognize it elsewhere. Pivoting is best performed with a "touch."
The whole aiming forum doesn't need to be banned - only this poison topic. If that happened (please) the trolls who promote it here wouldn't even need to be banned - they'll disappear as soon as their "trigger topic" is gone. It's their only topic.A very good reason, in my opinion, for Mr. Howerton to just do away with this aiming forum entirely and not even allow the topic to be mentioned on the site.
You need to be the first one to go....with all your craziness and hatred.The whole aiming forum doesn't need to be banned - only this poison topic. If that happened (please) the trolls who promote it here wouldn't even need to be banned - they'll disappear as soon as their "trigger topic" is gone. It's their only topic.
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AMEN TO THAT,ASK HIM HOW MUCH TIME HE PUT IN AT THE TABLE TRYING C T EYou need to be the first one to go....with all your craziness and hatred.
I would celebrate the day you were sent packing.
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WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?!!!AMEN TO THAT,ASK HIM HOW MUCH TIME HE PUT IN AT THE TABLE TRYING C T E