So how exactly do you think a Diamond should play? More like a Gold Crown? You can order Gold Crown rails if you want.
I think Predator needs to go back into the laboratory on their new cloth.
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So how exactly do you think a Diamond should play? More like a Gold Crown? You can order Gold Crown rails if you want.
Yes. More like GC. Which would also make it more like every other table.
That's your take and i don't agree. They are different than GC's but not anything to the extent you seem to experience. BTW, Chad is the GM at Diamond and he is very quik to answer messages. You ought to voice your take(s) and see just how he responds. He's always given pretty clear answers to anything i asked.
I don't completely disagree. When someone has something working there isn't any reason not to use it.
I bank well on both kinds of tables. With all of this talk about how they bank do you play a lot of one pocket?
Is that the reason for the comments about Diamonds rails?
Pool players need to stop complaining and just play the damn game
Pros need to adjust to all conditions, that's why they are pros. They all play under the same condition in a tournament. The only problem I see is inconsistent racks in tournaments that do not use templates, which might caused a player to have a "bad" rack.
Pros need to adjust to all conditions, that's why they are pros. They all play under the same condition in a tournament. The only problem I see is inconsistent racks in tournaments that do not use templates, which might caused a player to have a "bad" rack.
The thing is, you never really hear a pro bitching about Diamond tables.Pool players need to stop complaining and just play the damn game
Why does a tournament use a predator rack? Predator sponsors pool. Why do tournaments allow jump cues? People who make jump cues sponsor tournaments.
If someone made cloth, cues, chalk and balls made from compressed manure someone would use them if the sponsor money was enough. I'd recommend wearing a glove if that happens.
TRUTH!
Send him an email and tell him he's nuts. All i know is that is exactly what he told me.
This is one of the rare times we disagree....rubber certainly plays ‘in’...but the opposite you might think. The more a rail gets hit, the faster it plays. In the old action rooms, usually, the farther from the counter, the slower the rails. I’ve told people who bought tables that sat in storage, don’t change the rubber. Just play on it. It’ll liven up.
Ask any pro over 50, you’ll see a noticeable difference of opinion
How many pros, active pros, over 50 are there? Two?
They are the past. Too many people still living there. Who was the one pro that said anything bad about Diamond tables?
I like Gold Crown tables. But they are the past. Brunswick basically abandoned pool players decades ago. Welcome to the 21st century.
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If you've noticed Predator and Matchroom have formed what appears to be an alliance. There was a tournament in California
recently with all Predator tables and Diamond used to get all of those events. If this is an indication of the future Diamond may
get less marketing time at the events.
That may be true. Things change. Time moves on.
This was probably brought up before but I don't remember what was said. Who makes Predator tables? Wasn't it SAM billiard products out of Spain? So are you playing on a predator table? Or a Sam billiard table made to predator specifications?
That's all semantics I guess. So doesn't really matter. You see, I'm of the old school way of economic thinking. I think competition is a good thing. How much do you want to bet the Diamond Billiards will pick up the gauntlet? I think they will. If they want to keep their market share they damn sure better.
And the jury still out on the Predator table. We'll see how it does. If you remember, there was a lot of crap going on around here about how the Predator tables play too easy. You will never make everybody happy. Never!
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I tend to agree with you on your economic thinking.
The Diamond table was created around portability. Its the only table that you can throw in a cart and wheel off the stage and set up on another one the same day in another town and leave it level on the same day.
The Predator table is a 3 slate table and that takes table mechanics and time, that time costs money to a promoter so how long that alliance lasts is anyones best guess but it doesn't make sense to me because of the labor involved.
People are just going to have to be content to wait on Diamonds production to get their tables. Diamond may even at some point decide to use Gold Crown rails but if they don't so what people still love the tables and want them over all of the others for the reasons stated above about portability. They have the nuts and this alliance between Matchroom and Sams Billiards in Spain to take over the Pool World is going to fizzle in my opinion because of the demand of Diamond Tables.
That's a good point. I never really gave it much thought, but from the promoters point of view, Diamond tables do make more sense. But anyway, what kind of sent the thread off on a tangent line. It was supposed to be about cloth.
Two questions...
1. Maybe it was mentioned and I missed it, but who is making the cloth for Predator? (My suspicions are they are contracting Simonis to make it for them.)
2. I asked earlier and no one responded... Is the Predator cloth faster or slower or equal to simonis 760?
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It's not Simonis. I know that much. Probably Andy Cloth. Predator doesn't make tables, cloth or balls for that matter.
I was thinking simonis because I believe the Predator cloth uses the same wool the simonis does. I'm trying to look into that now.
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JT in FL now
I got to play the Predator cloth on Sunday and it did play fast but I cant say any faster then simonis 760 unfortunately did not have them side by side. I have new simonis 760 at home, went to pool hall all the league GC's (unknown cloth) play very slow compared to home but one table is new predator cloth tried that for some practice played very fast. Next week I will jump on that table right after practicing at home for a better reference but assume it is about same speed as simonis.