Mosconi Cup 2022

Right on, Bill.

Josh Roberts would not look out of place on a Team USA squad. He'll have to play well in 2022 to merit consideration. He's unquestionably a top ten American player and, at times, plays like a top five.

The first important event of 2022 is the Turning Stone Classic near Syracuse, NY, which has a killer field. Josh is not listed as being in the field. After that, it's on to the Derby City Classic, so for Josh to get his Mosconi bid on track, he'll have to put in some solid work at the Derby.

Wishing him well. Nice guy and a fine player.
 
Right on, Bill.

Josh Roberts would not look out of place on a Team USA squad. He'll have to play well in 2022 to merit consideration. He's unquestionably a top ten American player and, at times, plays like a top five.

The first important event of 2022 is the Turning Stone Classic near Syracuse, NY, which has a killer field. Josh is not listed as being in the field. After that, it's on to the Derby City Classic, so for Josh to get his Mosconi bid on track, he'll have to put in some solid work at the Derby.

Wishing him well. Nice guy and a fine player.
I'm not sure the Derby should be in contention due to the buy back and redraw formula.

Turning stone, Buffalos, Swanson, Dickson, Alabama, etc. Yes.
 
I'm not sure the Derby should be in contention due to the buy back and redraw formula.

Turning stone, Buffalos, Swanson, Dickson, Alabama, etc. Yes.
Regardless of format DCC is a very important event. It should count towards MC. One tough event to win. The buy-back format is just a modified version of single-elimination. I also like the randomness of the re-draw every round.Look at the list of winners. No dogs in that line-up.
 
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Even though DCC is not a true bracket event, it is still a great test for players. There are a lot of good players there besides all the pros. Yeah you can get an "easier draw" but you still have to win the matches that your supposed to win. As far as if he should be on the mosconi cup team, I don't think he fairs well against the likes of Shaw, Filler, and some of the other Europeans but at this point, aside from a few, we don't have a lot of people that can so it would be cool for him to get his shot.
 
Even though DCC is not a true bracket event, it is still a great test for players. There are a lot of good players there besides all the pros. Yeah you can get an "easier draw" but you still have to win the matches that your supposed to win. As far as if he should be on the mosconi cup team, I don't think he fairs well against the likes of Shaw, Filler, and some of the other Europeans but at this point, aside from a few, we don't have a lot of people that can so it would be cool for him to get his shot.
Other than SVB(maybe?) what US player IS likely to fare well against Shaw/Filler?? He could no worse than a lot of players who have made MC teams. Putting Josh on the team would be a fair reward for a lot of good play. Still not sure just how strong his big-table rotation game is but he has had some pretty good results.
 
Shane, Sky, Justin, Oscar, and Josh seem like a good team to me, just out of the top 10 Fargo-rated US players.

Josh has the same fargorating as Billy, and Billy seems to get in to all the Matchroom events until the recent troubles. Chris and Tyler aren't in the top 10 at all. Mike is retired, and although Corey, Rodney, and Earl may not be retired, they're getting up there.

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I'm not sure the Derby should be in contention due to the buy back and redraw formula.
Couldn't agree less. The Derby City 9-ball is one of the hardest events to win on the pool calendar and this format, which admittedly introduces one extra luck factor, has tended to showcase the elite time after time.

The event is just twenty years old, and SVB has won four of them, Souquet has won three of them, Efren has won two of them, Orcullo has won two of them, Immonen has won one of them, Feijen has won one of them, and Pagulayan has won one of them.

In other words, fourteen times in its twenty-year history, the Derby City 9-ball has been won by a current hall of famer or a near-certain future hall of famer.

It typically takes about twelve match wins to win the Derby City 9-ball, and this is the biggest reason that this title has tended to be the sole domain of the superelite.
 
Since such a high percentage of the fields use the buy-in option, the format could also be thought of as a modified version of double-elimination.
tomatos tomahtos. Usually only those that think they have a shot at cashing buy back in. I went in '07 and most folks that lost just bowed out. The top guys buy back for sure but thats about it. I'm saying that based on just what i saw in particular year.
 
Couldn't agree less. The Derby City 9-ball is one of the hardest events to win on the pool calendar and this format, which admittedly introduces one extra luck factor, has tended to showcase the elite time after time.

The event is just twenty years old, and SVB has won four of them, Souquet has won three of them, Efren has won two of them, Orcullo has won two of them, Immonen has won one of them, Feijen has won one of them, and Pagulayan has won one of them.

In other words, fourteen times in its twenty-year history, the Derby City 9-ball has been won by a current hall of famer or a near-certain future hall of famer.

It typically takes about twelve match wins to win the Derby City 9-ball, and this is the biggest reason that this title has tended to be the sole domain of the superelite.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope to see you in January.
 
Other than SVB(maybe?) what US player IS likely to fare well against Shaw/Filler?? He could no worse than a lot of players who have made MC teams. Putting Josh on the team would be a fair reward for a lot of good play. Still not sure just how strong his big-table rotation game is but he has had some pretty good results.
The only other person I have seen have a somewhat OK record against those guys is Sky.
 
Couldn't agree less. The Derby City 9-ball is one of the hardest events to win on the pool calendar and this format, which admittedly introduces one extra luck factor, has tended to showcase the elite time after time.

The event is just twenty years old, and SVB has won four of them, Souquet has won three of them, Efren has won two of them, Orcullo has won two of them, Immonen has won one of them, Feijen has won one of them, and Pagulayan has won one of them.

In other words, fourteen times in its twenty-year history, the Derby City 9-ball has been won by a current hall of famer or a near-certain future hall of famer.

It typically takes about twelve match wins to win the Derby City 9-ball, and this is the biggest reason that this title has tended to be the sole domain of the superelite.
What is the “one extra luck factor”?
 
tomatos tomahtos. Usually only those that think they have a shot at cashing buy back in. I went in '07 and most folks that lost just bowed out. The top guys buy back for sure but thats about it. I'm saying that based on just what i saw in particular year.
No, it is a lot more than just the top guys who buy back. I keep track of the number of buy-ins. For the last 8 years combined (2013-2020), and for all 3 events combined, just over two-thirds of the entrants have bought back. The highest percentage in that period was about 80% for Banks in 2013 and the lowest percentage was about 61% for 1-Pocket in 2020.
 
No, it is a lot more than just the top guys who buy back. I keep track of the number of buy-ins. For the last 8 years combined (2013-2020), and for all 3 events combined, just over two-thirds of the entrants have bought back. The highest percentage in that period was about 80% for Banks in 2013 and the lowest percentage was about 61% for 1-Pocket in 2020.
Interesting. I would have thought the lowest would be for the banks since it is the first event and it gives you a ticket to the whole week+. Maybe it gets all the bankers because there are few other tournaments (that I know of) for banks.
 
Interesting. I would have thought the lowest would be for the banks since it is the first event and it gives you a ticket to the whole week+. Maybe it gets all the bankers because there are few other tournaments (that I know of) for banks.
The Banks buy-in percentage was highest (of the 3 events) in 6 of those 8 years. One contributing factor may have been the cost (fees). Prior to 2020, the 3 events each had different entry and buy-in fees, with Banks lowest. In 2020 they changed to the same fees for all 3 (an increase for Banks and 1-Pocket). And Banks was nosed out by 9-Ball for the highest percentage of buy-ins in 2020.
 
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