Countries have borders and regulations governing their use. Violating comes with penalties. You're right, Dennis is responsible for his actions. Any 'harm' coming his way is self-inflicted.
Dennis Orcullo banned from USA for five years
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I'll make it real clear: i think DO in this case is a fkng moron. How's that? No ambiguities. He's been coming here for a long time and knows the score. Got caught. Next case.
I agree. I don't think they fine people for this stuff. I read a bunch on this the last few days and it looks to me like violations are penalized by not being able to come back in for a certain amount of time. If there is a fine system i didn't see it.
And being a moron is NOT a crime, is it?
He harmed none. That's good enough for me to judge him. If I find out different, the I'll reconsider.
I've made THE principled case for his freedom. It stands on its own without me, anyway.
Jeff Livingston
I hear you. That's what I was told by someone close to the situation and could explain why Dennis dogged it. Maybe he figured if he overstayed again and got caught, he could just pay a fine again.
That's like someone complaining about spd limits because they can't afford a car that goes fast enough to exceed them.
CanadianGuy
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I would hope he secures an attorney on his own, eschew all advice from this forum, and deal with this this privately offline
If I'm driving 10 mph over the speed limit on a country road with no cars on the road but me and a week later get a ticket in the mail for speeding via a law enforcement plane from above I have to pay a fine. Why should I? I didn't harm anyone. I was minding my own business. Reason: There is a rule (law) that states I can only drive at or below a certain speed on that road. I knew the rule (law) due to the posted speed limit signs but I drove faster anyway, The only one to blame is myself.
Violation of the rule (law) in DO's case does not require an injured party.
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Years ago A county in Georgia passed a law that any illegal aliens picked for any kind of crime, even a traffic ticket, gets automatic 6 months in jail and deportation at the end. That county emptied out of illegals. They dropped that law and are now covered up again.
You shouldn't have to pay squat for doing no harm or threatening anyone's health.
When you speed again and harm no one, will you turn yourself in or just go on with life as is your right?
Jeff Livingston
There does not have to be an injured party for a broken rule (law) to carry consequences. It's called living in a civilized society.
When I speed again, I know full well there is opportunity for repercussions of my action.
What makes you think he overstayed his 6 month visit? Every credible post I've read about it, including Dennis' letter, says the opposite.
See post #406.
He sounds like one those 'soverigns' that don't believe that laws apply to them. BTW, i found data from 2019 on overstays. About 650,000 overstayed their visa that year. They made up around 1.2% of all visa users. So it looks like around 99% are able to follow the guidelines. Can't be too hard then.
As my slavery example demonstrated, lawful and legal don't always match. In fact, that thinking is what doesn't work for civilized societies.
When they don't match up, what happened? A crime was committed, that's what....but by who? Not the slaves.
I'm talking what the law should be, that is, what is the proper use of violence to be used in a civilized society. I don't think barring an innocent man from his ability to exercise his natural liberty is civilized in any manner, shape, or form.
Of course, Dennis would be better off if he jumped through the hoops (that do nothing to keep us civilized) and he's stupid, if you will, for not doing that. But he's not a criminal and he's not guilty of harming anyone, so he should not be held back in his career or life.
Jeff Livingston
So i take it you don't believe in national borders or immig/travel regulations? Laws of any kind? Try not paying the IRS and use that 'i'm not harming anyone by not paying' defense. I'm sure they'll go for it.
But the 2 million who entered the country this year with no visa are allowed to stay. That's my problem with what happened. If he had paid a cartel to get him in and out of the country he would be okay.
That's the bizarre legal reality we are in today.
Very weak argument. Slavery? You're joking, right?
There doesn't have to be violence for a law to be broken. Most laws that are broken are non-violent.
Dennis may be an innocent man as a whole but he violated a rule regarding his visa and breaking that rule came with consequences that he full well knew. Without rules there is chaos. Without accountability there is anarchy.
Now put your tin foil hat back on and crank up Ron Paul.
INCORRECT! You are providing misinformation here.