JAYSON SHAW BREAKS 626!

ChrisinNC said:
Stu, to say that we can’t enjoy this moment and this accomplishment without being able to have a honest discussion / debate here about how easy and forgiving the pockets obviously appeared to play to many of us who watched it, and exactly why we think they did play so loose, is a bit shortsighted, controlling and I dare I say naive, particularly from someone as wise as yourself.
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If that was how the discussion was proceeding, I'd be OK with it, but several are going beyond this, trying to imply that there was likely impropriety here on the part of the organizers in how the equipment was set up, and I'm going to repeat my original contention that such implications come in the absence of any evidence and also tend to rain on a parade that was, in my eyes, well worth having.

The tables played pretty loose. They played loose for Mosconi, loose for Schmidt and now loose for Shaw. So what? If you or others would prefer to have more information, that's fine, but it's not your right to demand it. What you will get, however, is a chance to review the unedited run from beginning to end on Facebook, from which you can draw any conclusions you wish. That's an available level of authentication that exceeds any in the history of straight pool.

Yours truly, shortsighted, controlling, naive Stu
 
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sjm said:
What you will get, however, is a chance to review the unedited run from beginning to end on Facebook, from which you can draw any conclusions you wish. That's an available level of authentication that exceeds any in the history of straight pool.

Yours truly, shortsighted, controlling, naive Stu
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I thought Lou's comments were that the full session wouldn't be on Facebook now.
 
You're missing the point. All of us draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to how a table is setup. For these high run challenges a loose table is perfectly acceptable and 5 inch corner pockets certainly fits the bill and doesn't cross the line. However, as frustrating as RKC can be, if you can manage to chew on the meat and spit out the bones with the guy, you can get some usable information as he is a very knowledgeable table mechanic. He's the one that raised the issue of this being a gaffed table and he provided his insight as to why that is. In response to this both Lou and Bobby have been coy about it.

John Schmidt certainly sought after easy tables for his attempts but I never heard of him actually gaffing up a table in the process.

I do think this is important going forward as it's one thing to find a factory made easy table, but it seems to me -- to be an entirely different thing to completely change pocket configurations to make tables play easier.

My hope is the table falls in the normal easy range and this gets put to bed, but as of now the promoters have chosen not to do that.

Getting dimmer by the minute.
 
Quesports said:
If the table is supposedly a gaffe table, which I highly doubt, why didn't the others before Jayson run 700 balls?
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I'm sure the naysayers will be coming in to say it was too easy a table, pockets too forgiving, etc. We can expect it. Of course Harriman and XG are silent, as you would expect. Nothing would satisfy them, and nothing will satisfy some others. It's just what it is.

My ultimate congratulations will go to the guy who breaks 768 on a decent table. Then hopefully any arguing stops. But it won't.

All the best,
WW
 
WildWing said:
I'm sure the naysayers will be coming in to say it was too easy a table, pockets too forgiving, etc. We can expect it. Of course Harriman and XG are silent, as you would expect. Nothing would satisfy them, and nothing will satisfy some others. It's just what it is.

My ultimate congratulations will go to the guy who breaks 768 on a decent table. Then hopefully any arguing stops. But it won't.

All the best,
WW
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Coming in to say it? They were saying it as he was doing it! Harriman congratulated him another thread by the way.
 
BasementDweller said:
You're missing the point. All of us draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to how a table is setup. For these high run challenges a loose table is perfectly acceptable and 5 inch corner pockets certainly fits the bill and doesn't cross the line. However, as frustrating as RKC can be, if you can manage to chew on the meat and spit out the bones with the guy, you can get some usable information as he is a very knowledgeable table mechanic. He's the one that raised the issue of this being a gaffed table and he provided his insight as to why that is. In response to this both Lou and Bobby have been coy about it.

John Schmidt certainly sought after easy tables for his attempts but I never heard of him actually gaffing up a table in the process.

I do think this is important going forward as it's one thing to find a factory made easy table, but it seems to me -- to be an entirely different thing to completely change pocket configurations to make tables play easier.

My hope is the table falls in the normal easy range and this gets put to bed, but as of now the promoters have chosen not to do that.

Getting dimmer by the minute.
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A simple protractor measurement would settle this. All versions of Brunswick GC’s come with a 142° (+\- 1°) pocket facing angle. Adding or removing layers of pocket facings will not change this angle. Even replacing with new cushion rubbers, if done correctly, will not change this angle either.

Decreasing this taper angle to 140° or even 138° is a common practice for experienced mechanics when they are requested to tighten a pocket substantially to say 4-1/2”, 4-1/4” or 4” by extending the subrails, in order to allow the pocket to play tight but fair. A 4” pocket that maintained a 142° pocket facing angle would play brutally tough, even for professional level players.

All I will say is that the most forgiving tables in our poolroom have 4-3/4” mouth openings with 140° pocket facing angles, as altered by Ernesto. Even with newly installed Simonis cloth, our tables did not play nearly as forgiving as how I witnessed this table to play on numerous shots.

My hunch based on this comparison is that the pocket facing angles on this table have been altered down to no more than 138°, possibly less, but the pockets were not significantly tightened below 5”. Not a bad combination for a poolroom made up of predominantly recreational players to allow them more success. But for top professional players? Let’s just say if a major pro tournament was played on tables/pockets like this, the criticism from the players and from the spectators would be off the charts.
 
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Couple things about pocket specs... footage has to be scrutinized to determine the degree of effect on the outcome and whatever field of research that entails and, what happens if under all this scrutiny inconsequential (hair clothing etc...) fouls are discovered?
 
This table isn't what could be qualified as a gaff table from what I saw of a cue ball rolling slowly to hit an inside rail of a side pocket. The side pocket played perfectly honestly as a player would hope. Corner pockets are harder to judge because pocket cut alone doesn't determine how they take balls. One thing to consider, Jayson had broken fifty-one times before the break he scratched on. That is amazing in itself. Had the pockets been gaffed to suck up balls that shouldn't go that wouldn't have been amazing, it would have been miraculous!

Hu
 
straightline said:
Couple things about pocket specs... footage has to be scrutinized to determine the degree of effect on the outcome and whatever field of research that entails and, what happens if under all this scrutiny inconsequential (hair clothing etc...) fouls are discovered?
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Always a possibility. A tiny hair foul by a lady or clothing foul by man or lady would stop the ball count right there unless it was announced that the tries would be ran under different rules. The lady's rules have sometimes said hair fouls didn't count in the past to prevent ladies that wore their long hair down from being penalized compared to ladies that wore their hair up or short hair. The longer video is withheld or very tightly controlled the more suspicion there is of just such a foul invalidating a run. I doubt this group is going to let that happen.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
One thing to consider, Jayson had broken fifty-one times before the break he scratched on. That is amazing in itself. Had the pockets been gaffed to suck up balls that shouldn't go that wouldn't have been amazing, it would have been miraculous!

Hu
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Yes indeed it is miraculous, which is completely a credit to the amazing skill of Jayson in the near perfect angles he set up for himself virtually every single one of those 51 consecutive successful break shots. More than anything else, this is precisely why extremely long runs in 14.1 are very rare.
 
Dunno if anyone noticed but both world records have made with Taom Chalk. No skids or bad contacts..
That was not possible in the past.
I think anyone who uses normal chalk won´t get over 550+. It just be that with dirty chalk you will get that skid to wrong ball in wrong time.
I remember in past most of my higher runs ended with bad contact when stun or needed roll ball more.
Now i can´t remember last time since I got bad contact.
 
Poolmanis said:
Dunno if anyone noticed but both world records have made with Taom Chalk. No skids or bad contacts..
That was not possible in the past.
I think anyone who uses normal chalk won´t get over 550+. It just be that with dirty chalk you will get that skid to wrong ball in wrong time.
I remember in past most of my higher runs ended with bad contact when stun or needed roll ball more.
Now i can´t remember last time since I got bad contact.
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Does anyone know if he was using Taom V10 chalk? I’m guessing so, because once you try it, you will never go back to the Taom Pyro.

Also, someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but over the entire session that I watched, I never once saw them stop between racks to polish the balls. I can’t even recall even one single time Jayson requesting the cue ball to be marked and cleaned off. All largely due to the Taom chalk!
 
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i dont disagree with stu often but this time. and he is right this stuff is great for pool.

and its nobody's business who won or lost in a private game. or how much or what went on.

but when you declare something is a worlds record you have to be able to substantiate it and all the questions that the public is entitled to ask and most to know. the video will reveal that it happened but still the public needs to know and i suppose at some point they will tell, all the circumstances of the winnners trials to succeed in the world record.

most were rooting for the record to be broken by a present day shooter. my self included. it would be great to see 1000 soon.
 
@ Poolmanis,
chalk had not occurred to me. Wouldn't have even considered it if not for the recent Taom hype. Have to get a cube or slug just to have one. lol...
 
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