ROTFLMAO! Let me fix this for you.
I'd say you are entitled to use whatever system you want but you are NOT ENTITLED to MAKE UP SHIT about how it DOESN'T work in order to deter others to NOT USE it as well.
The Simplest Aiming Systems to Visualize and Use
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I'd say you are entitled to use whatever system you want but you are NOT ENTITLED to MAKE UP SHIT about how it DOESN'T work in order to deter others to NOT USE it as well.
Have you? Should you?
This from the guy promoting jelly beans in your pocket lmao
Are you referring to LASER MAN?
I like that one. The laser is a great tool. You could call mohrt double barreled laser man. He liked it so much he bought two. He must have figured out how CTE works because we never heard from him again. Joking aside, the laser on the cue can eliminate one large variable in breaking down your stroke and figuring it out.
OK, this isn't any chain yanking or belittling. Why don't you consider creating an ebook like Brian did for Poolology? It could be about the stroke and all the variables such as different grips, grip pressure, wrist angles, fingers on or off the grip, wrist positions, etc. and the results produced by them...good and bad. Also contact point and fractional aiming between two balls.
Hell, let your imagination run wild. You might make a few bucks and have fun. I think it would sell.
Hey now... I've been using the jelly bean system whenever I make a successful shot, and it's been 100% effective. Sometimes when I do miss I've obviously rubbed the beans in the wrong manner. Can't fault the system for my error
Sounds like you aren’t stroking your beans properly lol
The Jelly Beans system was a parody of CTE. You didn't get that? What a shock.
At least you recognized the nonsense in the jelly beans...
pj
chgo
Oh I got it Pj. And I got the nonsense of the jelly bean method. And the nonsense of you commenting on ANYTHING that has to do with CTE. And the nonsense of you wasting over 25 years arguing about something that you know absolutely nothing about. And the nonsense of you thinking CTE is a fractional system Shall I go on ?
Where's my check?
Just curious: what is with this obsession to be 'correct' on this subject? If it works for you great but why is proving to everyone else that CTE is so great so important? Not knocking the system as i use parts of it myself but wow, you are one blinders-on ocd cat.
You mean relative to a laser, or in general? I'm not an instructor and whenever I say anything here it is only what has worked for me. I think there are general principles like "stay still" or "loose grip" but my guess ultimately is that the player has to figure out the nuances that work for themselves. I would be hesitant to say any one thing is better than another because, well, I'm not an instructor.
I think a laser could be used to show cause and effect and maybe some other things but it wouldn't be a quick thing to do. If I ever retire and need something to do...
phreaticus
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Yeah, have same perspective myself. But it seems there are also folks here who are just as obsessed with disproving that the CTE stuff works at all also. My guess is that its the quirky & somewhat “mystical” nature of Hal Houle & Stan’s presentation/communication styles over the years that seems to endear the sycophants and irritate the analytical critics. Throw in the usual Internet Forum/Social Media distorted reality factors and it seems to have created a particularly toxic environment. Both camps seems to have gone way, way off into the weeds but some of them certainly seem to have stamina. Truly bizarre.
Everyone's gotta have a hobby. Pay attention to who the angry and nasty ones are and you'll see they are mostly on one side.
phreaticus
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Yes, as a casual observer I have to agree. I’m generally in the analytical/critical camp, and recoil at all ranters & sycophants. But I have no desire or energy to become involved. In this case, I’ve personally gotten a lot out of CTE systems but think the modern passionate advocates have unwittingly & ironically managed to make a beautifully simple approach to visualizing balls - into a horrifically over complicated & contentious mess, and have completely diverged from modern sports psychology and actual visual/cognitive science.
I'd be interested to hear about the beautifully simple version... can you describe it simply?
pj
chgo
I don't know exactly what I mean because I don't know what you did and how you used it. Nor do I know how the laser was set up and what it can do. But as a for instance. You talked about it helping to improve your stroke. How? What was in your stroke before the laser showed it to be off? I would imagine the ball wasn't going where you aimed it. So how did you fix the stroke to make it more accurate and consistent? Did you try different ways to grip the butt? Hand and wrist positions affect the stroke.
Did you experiment with any of that and have the laser pinpoint more or less accuracy with changes?
I'm just throwing some things out there. What did you mess around with?
phreaticus
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Hi Patrick,
Well, I provided a brief synopsis of it earlier in this thread, and a few other aiming threads that you’ve participated in. IMO the unfortunate result of all the controversy & combativeness on these topics over the years is that it greatly discourages fellow seekers & potential contributors from the discourse. I’d be happy to provide a bit more color on my implementation of these concepts and my take on some the problems with some of them & the reasons behind why I think a certain approach is better than others, but these things always seem to go south and since I don’t have any “credentials” in the pool world, I’m not sure anyone would be that interested. I’ll have a think about posting a bit more.