CSI Predator US Pro Series-LAS VEGAS OPEN (23-26 March 2022), 9ft, $125K Prizemoney, 192 players

spartan

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12noon Quarterfinal now
Mateusz Sniegocki v Aloysius Yapp



Shootout Jungo v Garcia (Last 16) 😄
 

sjm

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Same old same old at the Las Vegas Open. Despite the continuous claims by many that the CSI/Predator Series format gives the underdogs a chance, the evidence strongly refutes that claim.

The last eight at the Las Vegas Open, with Fargo in parentheses, are: Dmitri Jungo (783), Wiktor Zielinski (805), Lee Van Corteza, (813), Mika Immonen (784), Mateusz Sniegocki (783), Aloysius Yapp (813). Wojciech Szewczyk (809), and Wu Kun-Lin (795).

Nobody with a Fargo of less than 783 will cash for more than $2,000 despite a prize fund of $125,000. The average player reaching the final eight had a Fargo of 798.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This tour, with the most top-heavy payout structure in recent history, is set up to pay nearly all the prize money to the most elite and is doing nothing to support emerging or aspiring American professional players, who have virtually no chance to make money on this tour. That's really a shame given that this is the first significant US-based tour since the UPA of over a decade ago.

Of course, all that said, props to the international cueists who are playing really great pool.
 

skogstokig

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Yet people continue to say this format doesn't favor the weaker payer. It absolutely does. This format is a joke but it's being overshadowed this stop because the Predator tables (and those working on them) are an even bigger joke. It's sad, really.

are you looking at the same list? that's top pros. the only ones sticking out are holem and bijsterbosch.
 

891014+1

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Same old same old at the Las Vegas Open. Despite the continuous claims by many that the CSI/Predator Series format gives the underdogs a chance, the evidence strongly refutes that claim.

The last eight at the Las Vegas Open, with Fargo in parentheses, are: Dmitri Jungo (783), Wiktor Zielinski (805), Lee Van Corteza, (813), Mika Immonen (784), Mateusz Sniegocki (783), Aloysius Yapp (813). Wojciech Szewczyk (809), and Wu Kun-Lin (795).

Nobody with a Fargo of less than 783 will cash for more than $2,000 despite a prize fund of $125,000. The average player reaching the final eight had a Fargo of 798.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This tour, with the most top-heavy payout structure in recent history, is set up to pay nearly all the prize money to the most elite and is doing nothing to support emerging or aspiring American professional players, who have virtually no chance to make money on this tour. That's really a shame given that this is the first significant US-based tour since the UPA of over a decade ago.

Of course, all that said, props to the international cueists who are playing really great pool.
Why would it be?! It is a personal achievement for the players to get on to the late rounds, and, they all start randomly...
If you want the game to grow in the US, do it as we do at europe: schools as in Poland or Germany. Professional tour, using APA as a 2nd division and awrding top APA players at the end of season to go up to professional tour, for example.
 
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sjm

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Why would it be?! It is a personal achievement for the players to get on to the late rounds, and, they all start randomly...
If you want the game to grow in the US, do it as we do at europe: schools as in Poland or Germany. Professional tour, using APA as a 2nd division and awrding top APA players at the end of season to go up to professional tour, for example.
Yes, well said, although personal achievement is merely the reward of the serious pool hobbyist, not the aspiring pro. You're right to say that America needs to do the things that Europe and Asia are doing to develop talent, but there's more to this subject than that.

History in American pool has shown time and again that aspiring American professionals manage to develop their games more successfully when there is an America-based tour in which they can earn at least enough income to keep them going in their pursuit of professional speed. I had been hopeful that the CSI/Predator Series would offer this, but it hasn't happened.
 

skip100

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The math and results show that this format doesn't favor the lesser player. The problem with the format is that it's disjointed, not particularly fun to watch, and ends with a rigid, artificial setup that doesn't befit a major tournament. Why make them shoot out the same shot over and over again? If they're going to have some kind of sudden death shootout, at least make them hit different kinds of shots.
 

skip100

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kling&allen

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Seems like a disproportionate number of matches are going to the shootout this tournament compared to the past CSI events? Both semi finals at least?
 

sjm

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Very forgettable first set in the final. At double hill, Zielinski scratched on the break, Yapp failed to run out with ball in hand, Zielinski misplayed a safety and then Yapp sold out the response anyway. Seems nobody wanted it.

In the second set, Zielinski was superb, and he's a deserving champion. Well done!
 
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oknazevad

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Seriously. That paragraph is full of every single buzzword one can imagine. Plus the overuse of capitals and other grammatical errors that are so common in webpages and emails that are part of scams and fraud. (That's intentionally done, by the way. Fraudsters have found that people who don't recognize the obvious errors are more likely to fall for their scams, so they leave in errors to pre-filter out smarter people who would expose them.)
 

spartan

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Congrats to Wiktor Zielinski.
He has won number of Eurotour events and is youngest ever to win a Eurotour event. But I think this is first time a Polish has won an international ranking event outside of Eurotour and it is long overdue. Other than Fedor and Kaci, Zielinski and Sanjin are the 2 best young players out of Europe now
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Don't mess with this polished gang. Just pronouncing their names is hard enough 😆
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