The Quite Eye

cookie man said:
Go back to sleep. We are talking about pool here. In the general context of pool do you agree with my statement or not? Shots should “look on” no matter which way you are aiming.
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Yes, absolutely. Shots should look on. The problem is that if you can recognize that the cb/ob/pocket relationship is on then why do you need an aiming system? Spider seems to refuse to acknowledge that there is such a thing as shots simply "looking on" based on experience. I'm glad you see it.


cookie man said:
Do you not think shots can look on when using CTE? You wouldn’t know would you, considering you don’t know how to use CTE. And for clarification we sure do have an aim line. And we can make adjustments to that line depending on circumstances You are so clue less about CTE there should be a sticky that says Dan White is never allowed to mention cte.
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I think if the shot looks on then you are looking at the cb/ob/pocket relationship like everyone else does and not using CTE. CTE ignores the pocket once the correct visual is selected, no? You could pocket balls just as easily with a curtain as without one, no? If you are really using CTE and someone was going to pay you a million dollars to pocket a particular shot, would you care whether there was a curtain up or not? Pocket doesn't matter, right?

cookie man said:
Or do you think the subconscious makes a last minute adjustment during the last stroke which in my opinion would lead to steering the cue causing the use of body English.
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Steering and body english are bad, of course. I think the subconscious affects your CTE alignment either in the pivot or when you get down on the shot and overrides the actual CTE alignment. Since you confirmed that you use the pocket in your aiming decisions that tends to agree with the notion that you are making subtle changes until it "looks on."
 
Dan White said:
Yes, absolutely. Shots should look on. The problem is that if you can recognize that the cb/ob/pocket relationship is on then why do you need an aiming system? Spider seems to refuse to acknowledge that there is such a thing as shots simply "looking on" based on experience. I'm glad you see it.
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Where did I say that? CB/OB relationship on the table jumps right out for anyone who has played for years like they have flashing lights. Doesn't matter what aiming method is used.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Where did I say that? CB/OB relationship on the table jumps right out for anyone who has played for years like they have flashing lights. Doesn't matter what aiming method is used.
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It's another way of saying "playing by feel." That seems to trigger you.
 
Dan White said:
It's another way of saying "playing by feel." That seems to trigger you.
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It's another way of you making up shit and trying to twist it. You should apply for Jen Psaki's job. She might be leaving.
I'm willing to bet I can play speed pool by feel better than you can. What you can't do and have no clue how to do it is use
CTE or Shishkabob that uses visuals. Very accurate ones, I might add.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It's another way of you making up shit and trying to twist it. You should apply for Jen Psaki's job. She might be leaving.
I'm willing to bet I can play speed pool by feel better than you can. What you can't do and have no clue how to do it is use
CTE or Shishkabob that uses visuals. Very accurate ones, I might add.
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I'm curious what you think about shots "looking on" when using CTE. What does that mean when the system does not make use of the pocket after the initial selection of the perception?
 
Dan White said:
I'm curious what you think about shots "looking on" when using CTE. What does that mean when the system does not make use of the pocket after the initial selection of the perception?
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I'm more interested in what you think about how to determine ANY and ALL shots when using CTE. Up to now it hasn't shown very much but you certainly have a lot to post about over the last 10 years.

But if you want to know, buy the book. It's only $25 more than the $75 you spent on Mark Wilson's book and almost double the pages with pictures and instructions.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I'm more interested in what you think about how to determine ANY and ALL shots when using CTE. Up to now it hasn't shown very much but you certainly have a lot to post about over the last 10 years.

But if you want to know, buy the book. It's only $25 more than the $75 you spent on Mark Wilson's book and almost double the pages with pictures and instructions.
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I've tried to answer all questions you pose to me as best I can yet you don't reciprocate. I have told you more than once that I use manual pivoting with Stan's original A,B,C and CTE lines.
 
Dan White said:
Yes, absolutely. Shots should look on. The problem is that if you can recognize that the cb/ob/pocket relationship is on then why do you need an aiming system? Spider seems to refuse to acknowledge that there is such a thing as shots simply "looking on" based on experience. I'm glad you see it.
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Because my aiming system is exact and helps me, and about a thousand others play better Yes, the shots look on, based on experience in using CTE
 
Dan White said:
I've tried to answer all questions you pose to me as best I can yet you don't reciprocate. I have told you more than once that I use manual pivoting with Stan's original A,B,C and CTE lines.
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I don't reciprocate? A lot of thanks I get for approaching you to teach Shishkabob which, as far as I'm concerned, turned out to be a total bust because you couldn't get it to work WITH PIVOTING. Later, after giving up, you said you did but I don't really believe it.

If you can't get it to work with my assistance, how are you getting it to work for CTE? Pivoting is pivoting if you know what and where to do on the table with balls. Whatever you're doing with it must not be too sporty because you're in here multiple times daily trying to lay waste to it, Stan, and all those who use and praise it.
 
Dan White said:
I think if the shot looks on then you are looking at the cb/ob/pocket relationship like everyone else does and not using CTE. CTE ignores the pocket once the correct visual is selected, no? You could pocket balls just as easily with a curtain as without one, no? If you are really using CTE and someone was going to pay you a million dollars to pocket a particular shot, would you care whether there was a curtain up or not? Pocket doesn't matter, right?
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Think all you want, I AM USING CTE.
 
Dan White said:
Steering and body english are bad, of course. I think the subconscious affects your CTE alignment either in the pivot or when you get down on the shot and overrides the actual CTE alignment. Since you confirmed that you use the pocket in your aiming decisions that tends to agree with the notion that you are making subtle changes until it "looks on."
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Again just keep on thinking what you want. You are wrong though in 99% of things you say or think concerning CTE.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I don't reciprocate? A lot of thanks I get for approaching you to teach Shishkabob which, as far as I'm concerned, turned out to be a total bust because you couldn't get it to work WITH PIVOTING. Later, after giving up, you said you did but I don't really believe it.
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Dude, you're seriously mental. Go look at our discussion. I said right then and there that I was sloppy with my pivot and fixed it. I told you how I fixed it and what the results were after that.

SpiderWebComm said:
If you can't get it to work with my assistance, how are you getting it to work for CTE? Pivoting is pivoting if you know what and where to do on the table with balls. Whatever you're doing with it must not be too sporty because you're in here multiple times daily trying to lay waste to it, Stan, and all those who use and praise it.
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See above.
 
cookie man said:
Think all you want, I AM USING CTE.
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lol OK OK I hit a nerve. Let's just say there are some glaring inconsistencies in what you do and say relative to CTE. If you believe you are doing what Stan teaches then more power to you. Apparently you're a fine player so whatever it is works.
 
cookie man said:
Explain please?
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No aiming system (no, not even CTE) is "exact" - none of them are detailed enough, and if they were they'd be unusable by normal humans at the table. They're all approximations that require the user to finalize the aim line.

pj
chgo
 
cookie man said:
Not correctly. You have admitted over and over that you can't make balls from different positions with the same set up.
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Not sure exactly what that means but if you are saying that an A perception only works for one angle for a given cb/ob distance then you are correct. That is, if you are following directions precisely and ignoring where the pocket is.
 
Dan White said:
Dude, you're seriously mental. Go look at our discussion. I said right then and there that I was sloppy with my pivot and fixed it. I told you how I fixed it and what the results were after that.


See above.
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No, you're mental. I know you said that you fixed it HERE in the forum AFTER we stopped the PMs. You stated that those 3 side rail shots went in. What I was referring to is what you said IN THE PMs which is NONE of the shots went in until you did a parallel shift and something else before the pivot which bastardized the entire method of doing it.

This is what you stated in the PMs regarding pivoting with CTE...IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THE BALLS ALL GO TO THE SAME PLACE WHEN YOU PIVOT."

Dan White said:
"As far as "jumping in with my clothes on" this is a sore point for me because I keep telling you guys that I HAVE used CTE with manual pivoting per Stan's videos plenty enough to see if it works for me. I'm trying to be evidence-based in evaluating if this works for me. I set up the balls, get aligned and pivot and the balls go to the same place no matter what. That's the reason for my skepticism."

Which means, YOU CAN'T GET A PIVOT TO WORK PROPERLY TO SAVE YOUR ASS!

That's you, Sport...that's YOU.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
No aiming system (no, not even CTE) is "exact" - none of them are detailed enough, and if they were they'd be unusable by normal humans at the table. They're all approximations that require the user to finalize the aim line.

pj
chgo
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And you know this for a fact because? (yeah, I know. Common sense coming from the smartest pool mind in history)
A seller of more pool books, videos, and in person lessons given than any other pool instructor in the PBIA. Not to speak
of the incredible playing record.
 
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